Iceman 29 Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 Modification of the propeller pitch, installation of the aft teak deck. Overview, I know that some people like it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 At the beginning of the Chadburns' drawing, there were originally two. One on the bridge, and one safe, on the aft manoeuvring aft range to starboard, the latter was used in case of the probable use of the emergency steering system, on modern boats this is replaced by an intercom with a specific headset and microphone to receive and confirm the rudder angle orders to be applied. It is possible that another one was present on the port side, but I did not see it on the pictures. Tks to Chris for this picture. The engine order selector box is finished, the foot is very simple to draw now. I have placed a virtual window on the drawing. The offset comes from a photo quickly retrieved on the Net, it doesn't quite match. I still have to "clean" with PhotoShop this offset of the selector and its needle. Note that the Chadburns mounted on Nomadic restored in Belfast is upside down, the Full Ahead dial must be facing forward... End of the drawing. One more accessory to finish, next! I still have the compass holder and the steering wheel to draw for this area. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 🧙♂️ I'm afraid I don't understand a word of your technical explanations..... way above my pay grade The pictures are pretty and the results are outstanding Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Pascal Finally had the time to read this thread. I know a little about technical drawing from my 20 years as a structural engineer in the offshore industry and I can confidently say that your drawing skills are world class, just outstanding, I have to assume you are a professional. This is a master class in 3d drawing and rendering, a real pleasure to watch and learn from. If I may add one small note that might help for the future. If you study shell expansion drawings, you will see that they only ever place a single butt joint between each frame and even space adjacent butt joints 3+ plates apart. This is for strength as the butt joints are weaker than the continuous plate. Butt joints are always staggered and the bilge plate lines run out ~ 15% from the bow and stern to triangular connecting plates. If you don't have access to the shell expansion but know the frame spacing, it is not too hard to work out a reasonable approximation. From the shell expansion drawings I've seen, plates were generally 8 to 10ft long and around 4 ft wide (narrower to the stern) for ease of handling Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Tks Kev & Steve for the advices! After a notice on an English-speaking forum, it would appear that the device at the aft is a Chadburns telegraph whose function is to give the rudder angles for the emergency steering gear. The shape seems identical to the motor Chadburns but with only one handle, we can see on the pictures the illumination system of the dial. The colour of the dial is completely white or black, instead of red and white. I found this picture that would correspond to the camera in question, in Italian: https://sites.google.com/site/3wheelmotorscooters/steering-wheel-of-a-ship "A telegraph or E.O.T., sometimes also known by the wonderful term Chadburns. This one belonged to an Italian freighter of the early 20th century, and was made in Liverpool, in the early 1900s, I suppose. It is one of the many fascinating pieces in the excellent Maritime Museum in Trieste. » 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Well, it must have looked like this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The item illustrated isn't an EOT (Engine Order Telegraph), it's a combined Docking/Mooring and Steering Telegraph, here's another in English The photo's of the telegraph on the Nomadic's poop aren't clear enough to see whether it's a Docking/Mooring Telegraph, a Steering Telegraph or a combined one ( It won't be an Engine telegraph as there aren't any engine controls on the poop. It would be worth checking period photo's of the Focsle for a similar telegraph, if the poop one is used for docking/mooring there will almost certainly be one forward as well, most likely on the bulkhead across the aft side of the focsle. A word or two on telegraphs for those not in the know:- They are used for two way communication for a specific task between two points on a ship, usually from the Bridge to Engine Room, but also as seen here to the mooring deck / docking bridge and to remote steering positions. The handle on one telegraph moves the pointer on the one at the other end. When an order is given on the bridge, the handle on the appropriate telegraph will be moved to a position matching the order. The pointer at the other end moves to the same position matching the order. The operator at the remote position acknowledges the order by moving the handle to match the pointer position. Whilst ever the pointer and handle are mismatched a sound signal is activated to alert both ends of the telegraph that the order has been given but not acknowledged, these days this is usually an electrically operated bell buzzer or siren (to suit ambient noise levels) but during the period being modelled and illustrated on both the photo of the Nomadic poop telegraph and the CAD illustration on the right above, by a steam whistle attached to the side of the telegraph. PS loving your CAD modelling skills Pascal, and fascinated with the rapid progress of the model. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Thanks for the explanations and the excellent photo, Dave! It's a clue.. I had another picture, at the time of this photo, the ship is named "Ingénieur Minard": 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Pascal, where did you get your little CAD people from (the ones standing on the quarterdeck in your post on Wednesday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Shipyard meeting .. 😉 They are very successful, congratulations to the author and it's free. I would like to know how to do this kind of very realistic modeling. It's here : https://grabcad.com/library/toolboxmeeting-1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Drawings of new elements on the aft deck, ventilation. Installation of teak on the first aft deck, bulwark reinforcement pieces. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 The design of the stern is coming to an end, the steering gear and the capstan remain to be designed. The Harland & Wolff yard team is as motivated as ever, we have to respect the deadlines... 😜 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Those crew/maintenance guys are moving around a bit and not doing much . Good work as usual. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 This looks like an amazing project. I really like the chosen subject. Unfortunately this morning while trying to read through this from the start, many of the images are not downloading from Postimage for me. Seems to happen quite often with Postimage these days. I'm sure it will clear later so that I can come back and have a better look later. From what I have managed to see Pascal, things look pretty amazing! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Yes Terry, some time it's not working well. But my images are in HD also long to download in the pages. Tk Stuart, it's tea time! 😅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 The day's progress. Installation of the probable cathodic protection (zinc anodes) on the propeller shaft chairs. Drawing of the windlass. Luckily there are pictures taken probably in Le Havre, it is not in place yet in Belfast dry dock. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Iceman 29 said: Yes Terry, some time it's not working well. But my images are in HD also long to download in the pages. I can see all the pictures now Pascal. Awesome! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Pascal will you be including the vegetation growing on the decking just to make it look nice Some very nice details showing through here 👍 Stay Safe beefy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 I've made progress on the print setup. There are always little tricks to review to make sure everything goes well, and then you have to organize things to sort out the objects that will be printed with or apart from the shell itself. This step of control is essential for a successful printing of the half hull, we must not forget anything, it is usually paid cash with this 3D technique. I started to put the sheets on the hull as well, it's a rather long work as for the bow. But here I have the technique that goes well, I'm no longer in the "how to do" phase? "phase at this level. The rear is more complicated, of course, but since I have a better grasp of it, it will take a little less time. The windlass is in its place. I'm missing a picture of the steering gear behind the windlass. It seems that it was protected by a shelter, a kind of box that can be dismantled to maintain it and make it work as a local backup. A first tray of the aft parts is being printed. It smells like high precision in the morning. The handrails and stairs are out very well, which is very good news. I'm going to do everything this way because the handrails are very specific with 5 bars on the upper deck, it doesn't exist in PE. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 The work on this aft part is now almost finished, there is still one more box to be done for the steering gear. I have printed a test hull. It's pretty good. The Nomadic A is missing on the stern and the letters don't stand out enough, you always have to plan for painting. The A was not printed because it must not be touching the bulwark enough. It is rectified. I couldn't help but put the Nomadic in position alongside the edge of the Titanic to motivate myself as there is still a long way to go to complete this double project. The Nomadic will be held to the Titanic by two strings of piano wire inserted in each ship. Everything will be dismountable. The Nomadic or the Titanic can be exposed alone when needed. The piano ropes will have another function, that of driving the 12 v continuous from one ship to the other for the lighting of the Nomadic, the more on one of the ropes the less on the other. No unsightly wires therefore. Once the piano strings are removed, the holes will be two of the many water outlets on both ships. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Nice work Pascal. I notice the complicated support structure that is shown but I have to ask, is their such a support structure internally? Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 Tk Stuart, Yes a lot more.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Iceman 29 said: Yes a lot more.. Do they stay there... Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share Posted December 20, 2020 No, it can be detached by pulling hard on it with a pair of pliers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 Beginning of the upper deck design. A small problem with the width of the loading doors. Modified design for doors. I focused on the funnel, I have a lot of pictures of details, so it's easier to do. It is almost finished, a few rivets still to be put here and there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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