New Challenger 2 experimental camouflage

[crowe]

Ahh. Got it. The Mtp on the Challey is designed to look like a platoon of troops at a distance. To make up for the decrease in numbers🤔

Smoke and mirrors anyone? 

PS. Some interesting info there. THX

[Ken Leslie]

On 11/03/2021 at 00:25, GMK said:

Paint scheme now updated:

 

 

 

Who’s game?

Saw this on the DSEI Twitter- looks similar to this picture and mentions early designs for chally. Anyone seen any pictures of the CR2s painted?

 

[Whitewolf]

On 20/11/2020 at 20:45, pigsty said:

If tanks had long legs like gazelles, this principle might work.  But you have to remember what happens to their wheels the second they start rolling.  You get basically two options: something the colour of milky coffee, and sticky black filth.  Countershading the nether regions with anything else would be a waste of paint.

Agreed. German King Tigers in the 'Ambush Scheme' had their wheels left in Dark yellow. The moment they started rolling those wheels turned the same multi-colour as the terrain they were transiting! 

[Modeler8522]

Hard enough to find a camo pattern for the RFM Scots Dragoons kit! I've got Scottish flags etc then decal sheet from my mates old tamiya kit I think as only RTR decals comes in a scots Dragoons gaurds kit!? Just stupid lol I've started noticing now I've got a base coat green down that the lower hull's the camo seems to match every other chally 2 only slight differences on turret! I thought it was only Germany who matched each camo pattern so now I'm confused and hunting the net like mad lol

[Circloy]

On 06/06/2022 at 16:53, Modeler8522 said:

I thought it was only Germany who matched each camo pattern

Wasn't that a key feature of the Berlin pattern? every vehicle (type?) was painted with an identical patern to disguise the numbers of each vehicle deployed.

[GMK]

1 hour ago, Circloy said:

Wasn't that a key feature of the Berlin pattern? every vehicle (type?) was painted with an identical patern to disguise the numbers of each vehicle deployed.

It’s my understanding that the numbers & types of vehicles in the respective Berlin sectors was agreed & known between all parties.
 

The uniformity of the pattern was to make differentiation between specific sub units & the like more difficult. 

[Modeler8522]

12 hours ago, Circloy said:

Wasn't that a key feature of the Berlin pattern? every vehicle (type?) was painted with an identical patern to disguise the numbers of each vehicle deployed.

Something similar but no they weren't all  identical, I've just dome one on mengs new Chieftain they had a good colour call.out with the engine deck being nato brown whare as takom got it wrong and done there nato green 

[Blimpyboy]

It would seem that what's old is new (yet) again!

Perhaps yet another re-visit of the Dual-Tex (dual texture gradient) camouflage idea/patent? 

 

 

 

 

The full article, concerning the functionality of the Dual-Tex camouflage is on pages 21-26, of the November-December 1977 issue, here: https://mcoecbamcoepwprd01.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/library/CavalryArmorJournal/1970s/1977Jan-Dec.pdf

 

And the manual is here: https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA040342/page/n21/mode/1up

 

For all of you who prefer colour pictures to go with your words, this article is also worth reading: https://www.militarytrader.com/mv-101/dual-texture-gradient-camouflage-pattern.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Blimpyboy

[John Tapsell]

There is an excellent Tankograd volume on the Dualtex and MASSTER schemes from the 1970s.

 

The Jordanians used a variation of it on their Challenger 1s.

 

 

[Troffa]

8 hours ago, Blimpyboy said:

It would seem that what's old is new (yet) again!

Perhaps yet another re-visit of the Dual-Tex (dual texture gradient) camouflage idea/patent? 

 

 

 

 

The full article, concerning the functionality of the Dual-Tex camouflage is on pages 21-26, of the November-December 1977 issue, here: https://mcoecbamcoepwprd01.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/library/CavalryArmorJournal/1970s/1977Jan-Dec.pdf

 

And the manual is here: https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA040342/page/n21/mode/1up

 

For all of you who prefer colour pictures to go with your words, this article is also worth reading: https://www.militarytrader.com/mv-101/dual-texture-gradient-camouflage-pattern.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 That 1977 Armor Journal is a fabulous document, thanks very much for sharing this. 

[Blimpyboy]

19 hours ago, John Tapsell said:

The Jordanians used a variation of it on their Challenger 1s.

Jordanian Challengers? You learn something new every day, thanks!

 

Now, that sounds like a project I might have to get stuck into…

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Blimpyboy

[ivan-o]

22 hours ago, John Tapsell said:

There is an excellent Tankograd volume on the Dualtex and MASSTER schemes from the 1970s.

 

The Jordanians used a variation of it on their Challenger 1s.

 

 

Mmm  on closer inspection that is a Khaiid  a Jordanian version of Chieftain. Which was  the

Shir 1 for Iran where as the Challenger was based on the Shir 2

 

Ivan

[John Tapsell]

8 hours ago, ivan-o said:

Mmm  on closer inspection that is a Khaiid  a Jordanian version of Chieftain. Which was  the

Shir 1 for Iran where as the Challenger was based on the Shir 2

 

Ivan

Good point - well made

Correct tank this time!

Walk-round: http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/olivier_carneau/challenger_1/