George Norman Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Good Evening Shipmates. Hit the big 50 a few months back and this was given to me as a pressie. Better than a few bob that gets wasted! It is from Mountfleet and is bloody big! Hull and superstructure are ABS, Tehre is also plastic, over a 1000 White Metal part amongst the wood bits n bobs. Bit of History: The Round Table class was a small class of trawlers built for the British Royal Navy in 1941–1942.[1] The class were built by two Aberdeen shipbuilding firms Hall, Russell & Company and J. Lewis & Sons Ltd.[2] All were built to a 1936 design, the Star of Orkney,[3] by Hall, Russell & Co but were commissioned as minesweepers So they have that little bit of character of a Trawler too about them Anyhoo progress has been slow, I am waiting for a sound unit from the UK before I stick the decks on and hopefully that will come soon, Some other sub assemblies have been started too. Fist bit was to Fill the top part with car filler a sand smoot, Next was to drill out the Prop shaft, Yes this will be RC. IMG_6315 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6309 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6307 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr the Rudder hole was also drilled and the rudder mounted using some Aerial Mast Tubing. The Rudder skeg was blended in again with P38 and a lot of elbow grease. Messey ol job IMG_6337 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6337 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6335 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr next bit was to put in the side supports for the deck, Little cuts were made to enable it to twist and abck along the inside of the hull. IMG_6370 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6335 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr To enable to batteries and weight to come out as this tops out at around 25 kilos weight and not carryable I made a Guide rail out oa wood and plastic trays for the batteries and lead weight to make them easily removable. (in Theory) Here is the Support being resined in place IMG_6372 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr The deck was planed to shape and test fitted as we went along, Could not resist putting them together to see what she will look like, the Jet Stream is not part of the ship! IMG_6372 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6435 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6438 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6440 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr The main frames to support the deck were also glued into place. IMG_6441 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr You can see the 'rail' tray and the motor in place here. Basic but affective. IMG_6442 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6443 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Some of the moldings were not that great, I had to cut these one and re sit it so it is square IMG_6685 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr I will be putting a smoke unit it her too and this is the start of that process. It is a water base mister with a fan that blows a nice plume out the chimney (not black though). The Skylight of the engine room were also cut out. IMG_6685 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6687 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr The handrail knobs were also not good cast so brass ones are on order now, no point in putting substandard bit on this ship. IMG_6711 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6712 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr I then Tackled the Forward gun platform, All built from ply and laid nice a flat and of course warps when the damp weather came in. I have fix that though, The 12lb gun is white metal and weighs a fair bit and that sits on top of the platform. I have now soldered that together. IMG_6779 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6765 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6767 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6768 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Gun mounting pin was short shot so a brass one was soldered into a Drilled out hole, Have to be very careful with white metal so used a low temp solder and temp control Iron. IMG_6773 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6773 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6776 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6777 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_6778 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Bits n Bobs IMG_6766 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Thats all for tonight! Sleep tight! Edited April 9, 2021 by George Norman 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Nice one. I built HMT Sir Gareth in a slightly smaller scale (1/350!) last year and loved it. They're charming little vessels. Do you know which you're building? I have photographs of most of them, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 Hello Jamie, Sir Lancelot it will be. I wonder you might be in the know so and able to help as inof on the net is hard to come by. Did these ship ever get the camo scheme similar to the Corvettes on the western approaches in the Atlantic? The Grey seems a tad bit dull and I fancy doing one of those schemes on it. Similar to this chaps one, He suggest they had: https://www.modelboats.co.uk/forums/memberpostings.asp?c=42235 Regards George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Hi George, these ships aren't photographed well enough to say how they looked throughout their careers but for certain points in time I can offer: Ship - Pendant Number - Time Period - Known camouflage scheme Sir Agravaine - T230 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - no pendant number shown Sir Galahad - T226 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - no pendant number shown Sir Gareth - T227 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - no pendant number shown Sir Geraint - T240 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - pendant number white Sir Kay - T241 - Apr1943 - 2 colour Western Approaches - pendant number dark Sir Lamorack - T242 - Apr1943 - appears to be white, pendant number medium tone Sir Lancelot - T228 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - no pendant number shown Sir Tristram - T229 - 1942 - 507A Home Fleet Grey - no pendant number shown What I would gently point out is that the modeller on that link you gave hasn't really understood a Western Approaches scheme properly, but this is largely fuelled by the fact that far, far more models are well beyond the realms of credibility than are within them. It's common to see sharply contrasting choices of colours on models and the usual culprits are either much too dark or much too saturated blues or olive greens. These are not good representations of the Western Approaches Light Blue or Western Approaches Light Green designed by Peter Scott. The Western Approaches paints were pale pastel shades. The fairly dark, dirty greenish grey used on the model linked above doesn't much resemble a proper Western Approaches scheme. Unfortunately the misconception is somewhat reinforced by a small number of Kodakrome prints of Canadian ships. Whilst the Royal Canadian Navy was nominally acting as a squadron subordinate to the Royal Navy and in theory using the same paints, there are numerous cases of Canadian paints being significantly off-spec compared to the British standard. That's fine to apply to Canadian ships but it is not indicative of what was used on British vessels using paints manufactured by British companies. Note that I'm not at all claiming that every British batch was absolutely identical, nor that there would not be perceptible variations once applied - what I'm saying is that British paints were made to within a tolerance such that you'd recognise what it was fairly consistently, and that some Canadian paints and particularly some examples photographed are so far outside those tolerances that they are not recognisable as similar to the British ones and shouldn't be used as a guide for nominal British manufactured paints. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Aris Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) nice to see another Mountfleet in build, i enjoyed my St Nectan, but see you have the same problems with some of the metal parts Edited November 13, 2020 by Kevin Aris 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 Morning all, Slow Progress on this one but 2 days over we weekend in the shed moved it on somewhat, Few Steps forward and a couple back ! Started Detailing the wheel house interior with a few bits on bobs to make it interesting. Crew Companions and stowage lockers were made up from 1mm ply, Sanded and sealed ready for painting. Hand rails around the wheel house were a right pain to get right but are now in situ and make it pop a bit. The Stern gun tub was build up from Styrene and came out pretty will, My last tube of Green Stuff coming into play here. (what will I do next!) Rudder Servo also installed. The Flag locker was built from the printed sheet but when fitted it was too small and another was fabricated. Searchlight tower was also built up and handrails set in place and this is where I had a small issue, despite placing the Funnel as per the plans it was a few MM too forward and snagged the searchlight tower so I have to add in 5mm to enable me to move the whole wheelhouse and upper portion forward to clear the funnel hence the green area behind the wheel house cabin. I used Humbrol 147 for the grey so hope that looks ok to you Maritime modellers. I'll ad a few hues in here and there to vary the look. IMG_7077 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7078 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7079 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7080 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7081 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7082 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7083 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7084 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7085 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7086 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7087 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7091 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7092 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7093 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7094 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Last of my Green Stuff tube going on 😕 IMG_7095 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7096 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Looking busy now! IMG_7097 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7098 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socjo1 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What a beauty big model of small ship! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 hours ago, George Norman said: I used Humbrol 147 for the grey so hope that looks ok to you Maritime modellers. I'll ad a few hues in here and there to vary the look. What are you trying to replicate with that? Your model, your rules etc but it's not similar to Home Fleet Grey and doesn't seem a suitable base for the few Round Tables in Western Approaches schemes either. Whether it's agreeable with anyone on here is irrelevant really - it's more whether you consider the colour a part of the overall visual impression you get when you look at the model and whether or not having it painted something close to reality is as important or less important than the build quality and details you apply. I generally don't comment on builds which end up not looking like what they're supposed to be due to colour choice unless invited to, so hopefully this comment doesn't cause any unintended ire 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: What are you trying to replicate with that? Your model, your rules etc but it's not similar to Home Fleet Grey and doesn't seem a suitable base for the few Round Tables in Western Approaches schemes either. Whether it's agreeable with anyone on here is irrelevant really - it's more whether you consider the colour a part of the overall visual impression you get when you look at the model and whether or not having it painted something close to reality is as important or less important than the build quality and details you apply. I generally don't comment on builds which end up not looking like what they're supposed to be due to colour choice unless invited to, so hopefully this comment doesn't cause any unintended ire Tks Jamie, Appreciate the input. when i meant a few hues probably Pre/post shading and weather etc so it is not a 1 colour grey blob! I'm not really a Ship bloke, Just like building and history is Mostly Aeroplanes so limited Knowledge on these Ships plus the fact there is not a whole lot on the internet that stood out on the exact Grey. I've limited access to paints here so could you advise the closest colour in the Humbrol // Revell Range to Home Fleet grey, I tried a few different hues but some were just too Dark for my liking. a Quick Search reveals 145 could be a good Match? the bloke that did this used 147, Did not think it look too bad? Tks Again George Edited March 22, 2021 by George Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Hi George, The cosmetic appeal is one thing but modellers in general tend to just copy one another to the point that something very wrong is regarded as correct because it's what they expect to see. I don't know who built the one above but whilst a pretty model of something it's not a true scale model of a real Round Table class ship and rather a fictional one. Home Fleet Grey was dark, and as per the table I compiled above, Sir Lancelot wore Home Fleet Grey, Admiralty Pattern 507A. It might be the case that another colour was worn at a later date, but that's probably not likely to be overall 507C which that light grey is most similar to (although it lacks the ultramarine tint to really pass as 507C) which was typically an overseas station paint rather than one used in Home Waters where the Round Table class did most of their work. An example of a different Round Table class ship known to have worn a Western Approaches type scheme (2 colour, I think) is HMT Sir Kay As to Humbrol or Revell I will need to defer to others as I don't have very much of either for comparison. Most of the commonly used Humbrol paints are either yellowish greys for the lighter RN paints or greenish greys for the darker RN paints - whereas in reality the RN 507A and 507C were both based on white, black and ultramarine and had a distinct bluish caste. I can offer this which will give you some information about the nature of 507A https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/pages/royal-navy-colours-of-world-war-two-pattern-507s-g10-and-g45 The Round Table class can look good in the dark greys many of them (including HMT Sir Lancelot) really wore - although it's possible I got my model wrong with respect to the underwater hull. At this time a ship of this stature may not have had a boot topping and what the photograph above may have been showing me is an overall black bottom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) Hi Jamie, Thanks for That and for the Photos, Very interesting especially the Black bottom! I ended up doing a re spray into a Darker grey last night, the Light greys looked a bit to Modernish really so I am glad that I got some feed back before I had most of this done. That is a great help. These are taken with a flash but you can see the light grey on the front locker and there is a bit drop in shades! Your model is quite spectacular too. I notice a curios Black and white marking on the Rat lines on one of the imagines you kindly shared of Sir Lancelot. I imagine these are black and white? I might add that scheme to my model. IMG_7101 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7102 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7100 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Edited March 23, 2021 by George Norman 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socjo1 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) On 23/03/2021 at 09:31, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Hi George, [...] Jamie, WOOW! Such a beautifull photos - many thanks!!! Edited March 24, 2021 by socjo1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 Stern Gun tub access Grab Rails done and surrounding Hand Rails yesterday, Some goodies from the UK arrived with no customs charges...result. Plus then an order from the LMS came with a Creme Egg which is now history! Just building the Speaker box now. IMG_7107 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7105 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7104 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 Bit more done this week as had a weeks hols off work divided between the garden and the shed. The finishing touches were to replace the Rivet heads lost whilst tidying up the superstructure. The first coat overlaid was done over some black pre-shading. I must admit the Darker grey suits it brilliantly and makes it more warlike! IMG_7109 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7108 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7113 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7112 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7111 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7110 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 Another bit done today The Boat Yard is on O/T this week. Back to work tomorrow after the week off 😕 the Cabin and superstucture Windows in, Gun Platform more or less done I need to get better cowl vents and the ones supplied are just very poor and too thin to tidy up as per the pics and the hole that has appeared in the one I tried to do. and the leccy stuff is being worked on and where best to place what is needed where, Although it is huge hull the batteries and smoke unit take up a fair bit of space. Need some thought to go into that next step as the aperture to the hull itself is very narrow. IMG_7128 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7127 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr very poor cowl vents IMG_7126 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 12lb gun 12 CWT Gun IMG_7125 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7120 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7118 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr windows in. IMG_7124 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7123 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Magnets to hold the top deck in place. Not sure if this will work or not for me. Given I will have leds installed they should last probably till I kick the bucket in 20 years or so. IMG_7122 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 This looks excellent! I love the detail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman 29 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Nice job, I would see the gray a little darker as Jamie said above. But hey, it's your project! Otherwise it's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) Good Afternoon Gents, Thanks for the comment so far folks, Looking forward to the weekend now! Still working away on this one, Lots of tidying up with the white metal parts and my order from Cornwall Model Boats arrived with the replacement cowl vents which look fab, I think they look to be 3D printed. I was hoping to have the sound unit installed but these are not able from Action just yet so I have installed the speaker and I will work on how to install the other wiring but the next big step will be the sticking the deck on permanently and after placing all the bits n bobs on the deck I noticed something is just not right....... As per the photo I have the Main Deck Level as the bubble indicates (these are not calibrated BTW!) IMG_7144 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr However the Bow End is somewhat out. The Portholes seem to be at the same height so I wonder has something gone wrong when it popped from the mold! IMG_7143 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Some Mismatch on the Rubbing strakes down the side when compared straight on. IMG_7142 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Wooden shim on the right had ride of the pic shows the difference IMG_7147 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Also the Superstructure stuff is not glued on so don't panic! (just yet!) Here are some other Items I have been doing, New cowl vents came and were mounted on some carbon fiber tube, all I could get! IMG_7148 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7149 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr The Lewis Guns were soldered together, These are pretty Basic so I've order 4 from Gas Patch models to substitute the kit supplied ones. It should really make that area pop once installed.. Shells were sprayed red to create a red band and these will be a lead colour from what I have seen on the net that looks to be correct. IMG_7141 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7153 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Finally the Stern Gun Tub interior was masked and painted as well as the gun soldered up also. IMG_7153 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7151 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7150 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Thats all for now. Edited April 9, 2021 by George Norman 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) After much deliberation it was a case of 2 steps forward 1 step back what ever I was going to do., I took the high side down, Easiest option really. The next issue is relocation of one of the Starboard Portholes as that was placed too high. Need to get some P39 for that me thinks. It seems to be all plumb now, Wheelhouse deck, Main deck and Foredeck. Just need to do the leccy stuff and then the decks get be stuck on and the funs starts then! IMG_7168 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7167 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Need to re sit that porthole lower now, probably will use some P39 filler. IMG_7169 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7172 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr Edited April 9, 2021 by George Norman 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Good progress. This will make a good target for my S-boot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Greg Law said: Good progress. This will make a good target for my S-boot. Fight on then in about a year!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Morning all, Well happy with the Deck being level now and I have relocated the porthole now slightly lower now so well pleased, Just used P39 for the Filler. IMG_7176 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr The Next Thing I decided to tackle was done on Sunday am when I snuck out to the shed instead of laying Patio slabs, That lasted till 2 before the Fun Extractor called me for work duties. Anyhow got the Leccy Tested and she Runs, Little glitch in that the Viper Speed Controller, the on/off switch would not budge and after some pressure just fell apart so I will get a more Sturdy one to use. I just twisted the wires together for now. The Rudder, Fan Controller and Throttle work and uses a Snazzy Spectrum Receiver which now have no bind plugs Amazing Tech these days and no Aerial! I still am amazed about all this can be all set up in Seconds! I have made a little Tray attached to the side of the hull to hold the Controller, Fan Controller and receiver using a Action Power board. Not as technical as others have designed but it will suit myself, Keeping it simple. I will use a connector then from the board to the Superstructure for the lights and hopefully will be able to use Magnets for the bits n bobs that will need to be removed in order to get to the Batteries to charge them IMG_7174 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7175 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Forgot to add I was in the office last week and decided to print off some Telegraph faces, Barometer faces, clock Maps and a Piccy of the King for the Wheel House deck. Of course I forgot Measure it so struck it lucky with the Sizes I choose. I Stuck the Telegraph one on with PVA Card glue. Looks ok I think! Still drying in the pic. IMG_7179 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7178 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr IMG_7177 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Very nice build George ! Nice to see another rc boater here. In view of the model's weight you might need some kind of trolley to transport it from your car to the water. You might also need some kind of lifting device for launching it and getting it out of the water. Are you going to operate the model on a pond ? Regards, Arjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Norman Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Arjan said: Very nice build George ! Nice to see another rc boater here. In view of the model's weight you might need some kind of trolley to transport it from your car to the water. You might also need some kind of lifting device for launching it and getting it out of the water. Are you going to operate the model on a pond ? Regards, Arjan Hi Arjan, Yes this yoke is very heavy and the pond we use in Cork is not really easy to get too as the nearest road the council have turned it into a pedestrian walkway so we cant park at the closest spot, Then there were Steps down to the Pond! The other option will be to park and as you say Trolley this yoke down to were we launch from which is a pain as it is a long haul. There are a nice bunch of guys and they can assist, I have to make some kind of Cradle to drop it in an out of the water but I plan to be moving this with as little Weight as possible. These are my other 2 recent builds. Makes a change from the Plastic which I have about 200 unmade kits to get through but I feel the price of the plastic kits now I feel gives less bang for the buck that the RC ships do. 615_1578 by Georgeconna32, on Flickr 605_0598a by Georgeconna32, on Flickr thanks for commenting by the way! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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