Hawker P1127 - Airfix 1/72

[Heather Kay]

33 minutes ago, AliGauld said:

I usually use a damp cotton bud and it works well enough.

Plus one for the damp cotton bud.

 

It's possible there was some sanding detritus in the gap, Ced. The PPP wouldn't adhere as well in that case. A good blow, tap or stiff brush to get the dust out before applying it should do the trick.

[bentwaters81tfw]

5 hours ago, CedB said:

 

 

 

 

I couldn't find the main gear leg so looked in the spares box. The SHAR parts were on top:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now he tells me.

[perdu]

3 hours ago, CedB said:

Thanks Giorgio, Keith and Rog  

 

Bill I would appreciate a side shot of the leg if you have time - it'll be a while before I need to scratch it or hack the SHAR one so it'd be a good reference…

From the walk around pictures I think the P1127 was much simpler than later variants?

The time has come, the Perdu said to talk of many things,

To talk of string and sealing wax and P1127 main  legs

 

I hope you can look in old money Ced

and

et

 

Ooh no that's nasty

 

Temporary work.

 

One will return with the use of Octopussy legs and Olympus £9.00 camera...

[perdu]

OK ish

1:

 

I am using the caliper in metrical, just in case you cant read Empiricals  11.48mms overall length but as you will see it was tilted slightly and gave a wrong measurement, see me later!

 

6.78mms across the axle ends

 

1.32mm at the shank atop the leg

 

7.47mm top of scissor link (nice rudimentals Airfix, dead nice chums) to bottom of axle base.

 

 

9.95mm actual leg length, to glueing spigot

 

 

First shot gave 11.77 at top to end and is closer to the right numbers, other picture left in case you can use it to gauge  the door opening rod length from the lot of them.

 

I suppose I should measure the length of  that next.

 

doh.

 

Ah that's a bit beastly...

 

OK Ced?

[CedB]

3 hours ago, AliGauld said:

Hi There,

 

I usually use a damp cotton bud and it works well enough.

 

As, always it's a pleasure to read through one on your builds.

Great work being done here and glad you put that pilot in his place when he was being difficult about being painted.

 

Cheers,

Alistair

Thanks Alastair, very kind

Damp cotton buds sort of work for me too. Perhaps I need to let the filler dry a bit?

 

3 hours ago, Heather Kay said:

Plus one for the damp cotton bud.

 

It's possible there was some sanding detritus in the gap, Ced. The PPP wouldn't adhere as well in that case. A good blow, tap or stiff brush to get the dust out before applying it should do the trick.

Ah, thanks Heather, I'll give that a try  

 

3 hours ago, bentwaters81tfw said:

Now he tells me.

No worries Frank  

My fault, I ticked off the parts on the instructions when I'd intended to build wheels up.

Then I forgot to do it again!

 

1 hour ago, perdu said:

The time has come, the Perdu said to talk of many things,

To talk of string and sealing wax and P1127 main  legs

 

I hope you can look in old money Ced

and

et

 

Ooh no that's nasty

 

Temporary work.

 

One will return with the use of Octopussy legs and Olympus £9.00 camera...

52 minutes ago, perdu said:

OK ish

1:

 

I am using the caliper in metrical, just in case you cant read Empiricals  11.48mms overall length but as you will see it was tilted slightly and gave a wrong measurement, see me later!

 

6.78mms across the axle ends

 

1.32mm at the shank atop the leg

 

7.47mm top of scissor link (nice rudimentals Airfix, dead nice chums) to bottom of axle base.

 

 

9.95mm actual leg length, to glueing spigot

 

 

First shot gave 11.77 at top to end and is closer to the right numbers, other picture left in case you can use it to gauge  the door opening rod length from the lot of them.

 

I suppose I should measure the length of  that next.

 

doh.

 

Ah that's a bit beastly...

 

OK Ced?

Thanks Bill - perfect! 

Really appreciate the effort  

 

[Biggles87]

Ooo, that looks like a smart gizmo. If I had one of those people might think my models were precise. ( variation of Bluebottle devising ways to impress Mavis Pringe )

[stevehnz]

10 hours ago, Biggles87 said:

Ooo, that looks like a smart gizmo. If I had one of those people might think my models were precise. ( variation of Bluebottle devising ways to impress Mavis Pringe )

I've got one. Every time I pick it up the battery is flat, so I pull out my Mitutoyo vernier, no battery, but a bugger to read in anything other than a bright light.

Some great progress there Ced, I'm enjoying this & managing to keep up.  

Steve.

[CedB]

10 hours ago, Biggles87 said:

Ooo, that looks like a smart gizmo. If I had one of those people might think my models were precise. ( variation of Bluebottle devising ways to impress Mavis Pringe )

Precise? I hope not John! I have one and it doesn't do that for me…

The Vernier is OK but my cutting is, shall we say, 'less than precise'  

 

9 minutes ago, stevehnz said:

I've got one. Every time I pick it up the battery is flat, so I pull out my Mitutoyo vernier, no battery, but a bugger to read in anything other than a bright light.

Some great progress there Ced, I'm enjoying this & managing to keep up.  

Steve.

Ah, the infamous 'turning on in the box'.

I had that with mine. Turn it off, put it away, close the box… next time you open it, it's turned on.

I think it's some kind of gremlin  

 

 

Just when you thought you were done with sanding, the 'disclosure coat' shows these:

 

 

Nasty wing roots.

Of course if that hadn't shown up the 'disclosure coat' would have been the 'first and, possibly final, coat' but hey, what fun would that be?

Lots of fun, that's what  

 

Riffle, riffle, sand, sand:

 

 

If I'm at my best then when I do this my mind goes to 'a quiet place' and I have the patience to keep gently stroking the file / sanding stick over an area, taking pleasure in seeing the colours of the plastic slowly blend into a single, smooth surface.

Usually though I get fed up and end up with a scratchy, lumpy mess.

Ho hum.

 

This time I think I'm happy:

 

 

Probably.

That photo has shown up the wavy bit by the starboard flap.

And the bumpy hinges.

Other than that I'm fairly happy.

 

It looks pretty bland and featureless doesn't it?

I've checked the reference shots several times and I think I'm happy that the 'real thing' was like that too, from a distance.

Up close, I suspect some of the surviving examples have been painted. 

I'm going to stick to my original theme - black and white, remember?

[CedB]

OK, put that aside.

 

Main gear leg bodge scratching commences:

 

[giemme]

Your filing/sanding troubles just remembered me what awaits me on the Stuka...  Patience, as usual, is all you need. Keep going

 

Ciao

[perdu]

AHA, the infamous assorted Slater's packs if my eye deceives me not.

Bendy bendy bendy.

 

If you want straight extruded rod it has to be Evergreen or the recent 'imported from the continent, single lengths rod' in various extruded sections including round only, your local shop probably has them, mine does.

And he prefers to sell to the flying fraternity although he now caters widely for me too.

 

Roll on Thursday when he can open up for me.

 

And on with the show, your riffling filing and groove getting into has been another Ced triumph.

 

The Kestrel is beginning to reach heights I never achieved myself, as your models do.

 

(Oi at the back, not intended as a hanging from the ceiling pun, OK)

 

I love the wing root work, fab mate, just fab.

[CedB]

1 hour ago, giemme said:

Your filing/sanding troubles just remembered me what awaits me on the Stuka...  Patience, as usual, is all you need. Keep going

 

Ciao

Patience - that's your thing G!  

 

27 minutes ago, perdu said:

AHA, the infamous assorted Slater's packs if my eye deceives me not.

Bendy bendy bendy.

 

If you want straight extruded rod it has to be Evergreen or the recent 'imported from the continent, single lengths rod' in various extruded sections including round only, your local shop probably has them, mine does.

And he prefers to sell to the flying fraternity although he now caters widely for me too.

 

Roll on Thursday when he can open up for me.

 

And on with the show, your riffling filing and groove getting into has been another Ced triumph.

 

The Kestrel is beginning to reach heights I never achieved myself, as your models do.

 

(Oi at the back, not intended as a hanging from the ceiling pun, OK)

 

I love the wing root work, fab mate, just fab.

Thanks Bill - really appreciated matey and I feel proud, and a bit smug, to receive such comments from one of my Gurus

 

I can't remember where the mixed rod pack came from but I guess the very thin red stuff makes it Slaters.

I've been looking for a mixed bag of scratch plastic for some time and have rod and strip so fairly well prepared.

I don't plan my builds very well (as you know) and don't have the patience to wait for stuff so I like 'that'll come in for something' stocks when I can find them.

 

So, main wheels.

Mrs B wants coffee so standby…

 

 

 

[CedB]

Back, with coffee. 

What a palaver. 

As you know I love my coffee and, years ago, invested in a bean to cup machine for our twice a day caffeine fix.

Easy. Water in the tank, cup underneath, push the button.

However, (here it comes) Mrs B has decided to go caffeine free so we've got out the 'emergency' capsule machine and she's bought some decaf capsules.

Now I have two machines to attend to, at different ends of the kitchen.

And a milk brother for her cappuccino.

At least I'm getting some exercise…

 

 

Anyway, wheels.

 

One for Steve:

 

 

Digital vernier was 'on' in the box. Weird.

 

With Bill's dimensions on a PostIt, off we go. Axle first:

 

 

The other white lump is a piece of tube that the axle fits into, sanded smaller.

 

The axle pokes through the wheel to make a hub:

 

 

…and with both wheels fitted they look about right in the wheel bay:

 

 

I've chosen another piece of tube for the main leg that's the closest I have to the reference shots and filed the end a bit:

 

 

…and stuck it on the hub:

 

 

I drilled a hole for the link to the door and selected some rod for that.

Now for the scissor link.

Might be something useable here?

 

 

Spare PE bits, collected over the years in case 'they come in'.

Two tiny triangular things found, holes drilled in the hub and leg and then, with a suitable smattering of Anglo-Saxon, CA'd to the leg:

 

 

When that's dry I'll assemble it, paint it up and do a 'by eye' cut on the door strut thingy.

[giemme]

That's some proper scratch building, Ced!    

 

1 hour ago, CedB said:

 

 

Digital vernier was 'on' in the box. Weird.

I have one of these myself, and experienced the same problem; make sure the blocking screw on top of the moving part is tight when you put it away. If not, these kind of verniers have a function that automatically switches them on even with the slightest displacement of said part. Never had that problem any more since I started doing that (oh, and get rid of the original batteries that came with it, they are rubbish)

 

HTH

 

Ciao

[Brandy]

Nice job on the wing roots Ced, much better now. I'm looking forward to seeing the completed wheel assembly too, so far it's looking pretty good!

I'm glad I'm not the only one having a magic gauge that turns itself on (stop that sniggering at the back!). Thanks for the tip @giemme!

 

Ian

[AdrianMF]

Mine just refuses to turn on ever, so I have to read it manually:

 

Nice work!

 

Regards,

Adrian

[Marklo]

6 hours ago, CedB said:

Turn it off, put it away, close the box… next time you open it, it's turned on.

I think it's some kind of gremlin  

I just never put mine back in it’s box; Its not untidiness it’s efficiency

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Marklo

[keefr22]

Nice leg scratching Ced - I've got a 1/200 747 that's been 'stalled' for years as I've lost the nose leg and need to make a new one - I shall learn from your example and get on with it. One day...

 

Keith

[perdu]

2 minutes ago, keefr22 said:

Nice leg scratching Ced - I've got a 1/200 747 that's been 'stalled' for years as I've lost the nose leg and need to make a new one - I shall learn from your example and get on with it. One day...

 

Keith

Yeah right.

[giemme]

27 minutes ago, AdrianMF said:

Mine just refuses to turn on ever

Try with a blowtorch ....     

 

Ciao

[perdu]

 

The P1127 (Kestrel?) at Cosford has obviously been painted, fancy replicating this?

 

Complete with visible decal film?

 

I was hoping I had some better shots than this but this isn't even that good.

 

Not bad for the drift /slip/ wobble gauge in front of the driver's window though.

 

What do you think, keep searching dozens of set of pictures of visits to Cosford?

[Marklo]

And not a rivet head to be seen....

[perdu]

6 minutes ago, Marklo said:

And not a rivet head to be seen....

Ah that's a thought...

Hawker's probably got that wrong then huh?

[giemme]

28 minutes ago, Marklo said:

And not a rivet head to be seen....

Disagree: look at the canopy and windscreen frames...

 

   

 

Ciao

[perdu]

Interesting view of the one at Brooklands, only because the evolution of the tailplanes from those in the kit is quite marked.

 

Still a pretty poor display of rivets though, whatever were they thinking?