giemme Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, CedB said: ound a great picture with the pose I'd like to replicate: Cool! You mean the one in mid-air, right? 1 hour ago, CedB said: ready for the flap removal (still gulp) My worth of advice: score the lines you need to cut with some sort of carving tool - I use a sawing machine needle into a hobby knife handle (idea nicked from @Fritag, I call that INCIDO, you my remember that). Deepen the seams with a scriber; then proceed slowly and carefully with a very thin micro-saw. This way you get very straight cuts, with minimal need for refining afterwards. HTH Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 White overalls over a decent test pilot's suit Ced, is that the look you're after? Rather think they'd gone past those happy days when test flying the P1127s, but your model. If mine gets a driver he'd have pale, well washed flying overalls. And white gloves. But looking at the picture above I see regular RAF type kit in use, darker overalls and normal survival gear. Silver bone dome though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Hamden said: Nice start Ced looking forward to another of your master classes Stay safe Roger Thanks Roger, very kind 4 hours ago, giemme said: Cool! You mean the one in mid-air, right? My worth of advice: score the lines you need to cut with some sort of carving tool - I use a sawing machine needle into a hobby knife handle (idea nicked from @Fritag, I call that INCIDO, you my remember that). Deepen the seams with a scriber; then proceed slowly and carefully with a very thin micro-saw. This way you get very straight cuts, with minimal need for refining afterwards. HTH Ciao Yes, the one 'bowing to the crowd'. It became one of its show tricks and I remember seeing one 'in the flesh' (snurf). I can't begin to describe the noise! Thanks for the cutting tip - but don't forget this is old Airfix so: …no need to deepen the panel lines! 4 hours ago, perdu said: White overalls over a decent test pilot's suit Ced, is that the look you're after? Rather think they'd gone past those happy days when test flying the P1127s, but your model. If mine gets a driver he'd have pale, well washed flying overalls. And white gloves. But looking at the picture above I see regular RAF type kit in use, darker overalls and normal survival gear. Silver bone dome though. Thanks Bill, that's brilliant. Olive Drab then? The pilot refused to stay on his stick, even with a scored bottom (or perhaps because of it) so he got primed with Ratskin Flesh, gripped by the ankle: That'll teach him! I wanted to glue something so decided to fit the nozzles. Flash anyone? All cleaned up, the rear nozzle was very tight so it got jammed in and both of them glued: The other side, however, refused to go all the way in: Seen from the inside, you can see that the nozzle isn't against the stop. More sanding needed. Rats. OK, carefully cut the flaps off: Being lazy, I tried to cut straight through with that nano-saw. When I turned over to check, you can see I went astray. Dammit. The contour saw was used on one side, then the other. Took patience, which I'm not known for. They're off now: Hmmm. Some blanking off to do then. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, CedB said: …no need to deepen the panel lines! Definitely! Holy smoke! Nice surgery, though Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Ced I think blue during that era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I’m not normally one to comment but surely those rivet heads have got to go. I’ve seen ships with neater work. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, CedB said: I can't begin to describe the noise! If that was in an airshow, I can, for a fact, tell you it was nothing, absolutely nothing, to standing in the field just beyond the runway threshold at Yeovilton when a SHAR2 decides to come to the hover at about 75 feet directly above you. I honestly thought the noise was going to blow my eyeballs out of their socket...!! I can still feel the pain! It was so bad I actually dropped the camera to put my hands over my ears so couldn't get any pics...🤣 Are you going to get rid of the battleship rivets? Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, giemme said: Definitely! Holy smoke! Nice surgery, though Ciao Thanks Giorgio Painless, it was. 2 hours ago, perdu said: Ced I think blue during that era. Thanks Bill, great stuff 2 hours ago, Marklo said: I’m not normally one to comment but surely those rivet heads have got to go. I’ve seen ships with neater work. Ah Mark, rivets… now that you've mentioned them I supposed I'd better 2 hours ago, keefr22 said: If that was in an airshow, I can, for a fact, tell you it was nothing, absolutely nothing, to standing in the field just beyond the runway threshold at Yeovilton when a SHAR2 decides to come to the hover at about 75 feet directly above you. I honestly thought the noise was going to blow my eyeballs out of their socket...!! I can still feel the pain! It was so bad I actually dropped the camera to put my hands over my ears so couldn't get any pics...🤣 Are you going to get rid of the battleship rivets? Keith Wow! Great story Keith but I really could have done with some pictures Especially of the angle of the flaps at max. In the photo the look like almost 90º? Too much? I was worried about how I could cover up the surgery but look: Goes like this: Bedded in Humbrol filler. Excuse the dusty thumb. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, CedB said: In the photo the look like almost 90º? Too much? Honestly couldn't tell you - I couldn't see through the pain....!! K 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Cripes, I made it sort of in time this time I think, anyway I'm up to date & totally approving of what I see. I made one of these at least half a century ago, even then I think I was less than happy with the kit, it'll be nice to see some magic worked on it. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 10 hours ago, keefr22 said: Honestly couldn't tell you - I couldn't see through the pain....!! K Not to worry Keith - your hearing is more important than my model. I SAID YOUR HEARING IS… 3 hours ago, stevehnz said: Cripes, I made it sort of in time this time I think, anyway I'm up to date & totally approving of what I see. I made one of these at least half a century ago, even then I think I was less than happy with the kit, it'll be nice to see some magic worked on it. Steve. Thanks Steve I hope some magic works! I've been looking for images of the flaps. Modern variants seem to have extending flaps and they extend to almost 90º it seems. Almost that then. While searching I've found some great stuff to share. Docdroid.com has a pdf booklet on the P1127 here. Only short, but it has a nice diagram showing the airflow: Pegasus Airflow by Ced Bufton, on Flickr Confirming Bill's statement in the dogfight thread that the front nozzles were cold - they use air from the compressor. Clever. The RAF Museum has a great pdf of the RAF Harrier Story here. Much bigger, with pilot stories. I've had a flick through but must read it later. Time to rid myself of rivets and get the flaps sorted. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, CedB said: I SAID YOUR HEARING IS… Nearly eight o clock Ced.... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, keefr22 said: Nearly eight o clock Ced.... Many of them, sir! (Monty Python for you here ) Ciao 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Thanks Keith and Giorgio Droop the flaps. Hmmm. Fuse wire? Might work. First though, remove the excess surface detail: Choppy choppy. Sandy sandy. I've also, now, sanded the raised panel lines. The old Airfix plastic leaves its mark when you 'break the surface'. It's flat, honestly. ish. Two bits of fuse wire have been inserted into Humbrol filler as CA wouldn't stick, again: While that's drying the pilot got some RAF blue: 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I like the pilot figure Ced, how about a light dust with pastels? I've been amazed this week at how a fine dusting can hit the highlights. Nice work de-rivetting too. 👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Thanks Bill Just the first coat. I need to do the rest of the painting, then he'll get a wash (or Giorgio will be after me!) I think this is going to work: I gave up on the filler idea and used sprue gloop so that'll need to dry, a lot. Plenty more to do though. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Splendid updates, old chap. May one suggest a silver bonedome for the Aviator? They were all the fashion back then. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Looking through Tony Buttler's book on the P1127: 80 deg flap, green romper suit, yellow vest and silver bone dome. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Wow. Huge spurts of modeling activity from Ced. Mojo's back then I take it? I like the out of the box thinking with the wing/runner/flap contraption - very efficient modeling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, CedB said: I need to do the rest of the painting, then he'll get a wash (or Giorgio will be after me!) Bill's idea is also a good one, though Flappery looking very effective Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Lovely to see this old stager getting a workout. I've been tucked away at the back of BM, in the Heller Group Build, making cars of all things! So I've missed quite a bit of aero action. So this is a real treat! That silver plastic is wierd isn't it? The "ghost" of the rivets never goes. I did the Hudson from the same era, which was a festival of rivets. Same thing. And I got the flaps deployed on her. Well worth doing! Carry on that man..... 👌 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, CedB said: The old Airfix plastic leaves its mark when you 'break the surface'. Which is why it should be the law that any kits with raised panel lines should be moulded in silver plastic, as the ghost lines make life so much easier for those of us with panel line rescribing OCD.... Keith 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just caught up with this (sorry sir, bus was delayed by an escaped black and yellow llama). I remember building the kit in about 1966 and camouflaging it as to how I thought the P1127(RAF) would look. That silver plastic was a bit odd the way it kept a ghost of a panel line, but was nice plastic to work with and was good as stretching spure for rigging biplanes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 This looks cool Ced, something rather different! looking forward to it. Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 22 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Splendid updates, old chap. May one suggest a silver bonedome for the Aviator? They were all the fashion back then. Thanks Pete - silver it will be! 21 hours ago, bentwaters81tfw said: Looking through Tony Buttler's book on the P1127: 80 deg flap, green romper suit, yellow vest and silver bone dome. Great information, thanks Frank I haven't got 80º I don't think but they look pretty 'drooped'. 21 hours ago, hendie said: Wow. Huge spurts of modeling activity from Ced. Mojo's back then I take it? I like the out of the box thinking with the wing/runner/flap contraption - very efficient modeling Thanks hendie, appreciated! 21 hours ago, giemme said: Bill's idea is also a good one, though Flappery looking very effective Ciao Thanks Giorgio 19 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: Lovely to see this old stager getting a workout. I've been tucked away at the back of BM, in the Heller Group Build, making cars of all things! So I've missed quite a bit of aero action. So this is a real treat! That silver plastic is wierd isn't it? The "ghost" of the rivets never goes. I did the Hudson from the same era, which was a festival of rivets. Same thing. And I got the flaps deployed on her. Well worth doing! Carry on that man..... 👌 Hi Rob - weird plastic it is! Thanks 18 hours ago, keefr22 said: Which is why it should be the law that any kits with raised panel lines should be moulded in silver plastic, as the ghost lines make life so much easier for those of us with panel line rescribing OCD.... Keith Rescribing? I hadn't thought about that. 14 hours ago, Mr T said: Just caught up with this (sorry sir, bus was delayed by an escaped black and yellow llama). I remember building the kit in about 1966 and camouflaging it as to how I thought the P1127(RAF) would look. That silver plastic was a bit odd the way it kept a ghost of a panel line, but was nice plastic to work with and was good as stretching spure for rigging biplanes. Welcome Mr T! Good for stretching is it? I'll keep some then 12 hours ago, rob85 said: This looks cool Ced, something rather different! looking forward to it. Rob Thanks Rob Hoping to make it worthy of Bill's kindness in donating the kit. The outriggers have arrived! Many thanks to @bentwaters81tfw for those, very kind of you. I've cleaned up the other wheels too: There are grains of plastic all over the place so they may need some more TLC. What about this though? Not very convincing. Or accurate. I did think that not much would be seen on the ceiling but, as this was a gift from Bill, I think I ought to try to rectify it. Adrian has used paper in his build but I'm not practised in that. I have ripped out the kit bits though and thought I'd model with this: We'll see how that goes later. Pilot progressing: Just the black bits to do now. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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