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looks like a oversized MiG-21, but is a Shenyang F-8B Finback!

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some more info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8

http://www.easternorbat.com/html/shenyang_mr_j-8f_finback_eng.html

Seems to still be in service in its upgraded form as J-8E/F

 

I do not know a lot about it, but this will improve for sure in due course :)

current ones seem to be light grey, not white by the way!

https://sinodefence.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/shenyang-j8/

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http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Fighters.html#mozTocId193297

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http://www.ausairpower.net/PLA-AF/J-8B-PLAAF-1S.jpg

 

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http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/sac_j8_finback.htm

 

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59 minutes ago, exdraken said:

I do not know a lot about it, but this will improve for sure in due course :)

current ones seem to be light grey, not white by the way!

 

http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/after_1950/J-8B/

 

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/howard_mason/j-8b_finback_b/

Now You know more!

Also, as I remember @Flankerman

taking photo  of J-8B during his  travels on China.

 

B.w.

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but it's most probably no service camouflage, it's probably  museum art.

 

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

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Excellent subject choice Werner. Don't know a lot about these machines either but they certainly look cool.

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2 hours ago, Aardvark said:

Yes, I remember the incident...but did not the fighters involved! One definitely did not make it back....

 

no progress of course yet ;)

 

but sprues and some observations:

 

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quite a lot! and it is BIG!

 

wings and stabs really look like upscaled MiG-21 parts, the modified front fuselage of course not :)

this kit is already several years old, but also then Trumpeter had good tooling capabilities and nice detail (shape and research were also issues back then, nothing new...)

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thes nozzle fairing seems to be slide molded, and is packed separately :)

 

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decals

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with some nice unit? markings

 

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cockpit decals look a bit toy or sci-fi like ... ;)

 

 

 

 

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Hi Guys,

 

I am almost certainly wrong about this but do any of you recall the experimental Mig aircraft that for a while was labelled Mig-23 Flipper by Nato? I believe it started life as a single engined bigger version of the Mig-21 and then had twin engines substituted, and claimed quite a few records as it had a top speed close to Mach 3. However after a few years it was abandoned. Now I seem to recall reading in a book, possibly one of the series of "War Machine" ones, in this case "The Chinese War Machine" which I borrowed from the library, that China had aquired details and were trying to develop it further and that was the basis of the first version of the Finback - J-8A which had a nose intake pending development of a better radar. Once that arrived it was redesigned with a radar nose and side intakes to become the J-8B.

Flipper

This is the final version known as the Ye-152. As I say I am probably completely wrong but does anybody have any thoughts?

 

Later, just noticed that the Wiki article on the Chengdu-J7 (Mig -21 clone) actually mentions that the Finback A was a cross between the Mig-21 and the Ye-152 which they had aquired drawings of, and that the nose and intakes for the Finback B were based on the actual Mig-23, so maybe I am not all that wrong after all. 

 

Pete

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Pete, I wrote about this in the Chat of this GB.  In fact J-8-I and Ye-152A similar enough as the planes of one design school can be similar ... more precisely, the planes of a student (China) and a teacher (USSR). There is even a conspiracy theory that the USSR transferred some E-152A drawings to China. In fact, with a common idea and identical engines, the fuselage of the E-152A and J-8-I are different in design. In J-8-I the expansion for two engines begins in the cockpit area, and section J-8-I - oval, but 

for the E-152A, first there is a circle in cross section and the expansion for two engines begins where the wings end and the tail begins.  As I think J-8-I aerodynamics better, but Ye-152A has less weight. The problem is that the two-engine E-152A was a reserve in case of failure of the single-engine E-152-1, but the E-152A had almost no advantages over the Su-9 / Su-11, which were already in service. Moreover, the E-150-E-152 heavy MiGs are actually of the same dimension as the Su-9 / Su-11! Yes Ye-150/152 had a higher speed than the Su-9/11, so Sukhoi made his answer to the E-150/152 series - Sukhoi T-37, which was built but never took off ... because on the horizon the great and  terrible E-155, the future MiG-25.

 

B.w. Sukhoi was own two engine modification Su-9 - Sukhoi T-5, which because of the wide waist with two engine was named Motherland. 😁

But in fact T-5 was testbed for T-58 future  Su-15.

The successes of the Su-15 haunted Yakovlev, so he converted his Yak-28PM with wing engines into the Yak-28-64 version with two engines in the fuselage, but the Yak-28-64 turned out to be complete 💩

The successes of the Su-15 most likely haunted the Chinese, so they decided to upgrade their J-8-I to J-8B by making side air intakes, the design of which they spied on the MiG-23, which they bought from Egypt. In turn, the air intakes in the MiG-23 are somehow very suspiciously similar to the air intakes of the F-4 Phantom ...😁

 

This is my short version of the development of events.

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

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this beast is big!

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started to have a closer look today :)

crsip and clear, nicely detailed , as usually with Trumpeter!

 

the Tornado is 1/48 as well in case you doubt it! :D

 

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Hi Werner,

 

good start. Great to see some Chinese subjects. I have their J-8D and it is a really nice kit. A pity they never tooled the J-8I (the first version with the MiG-21 type central intake).

Will follow with interest :)

 

Cheers

Markus

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On 11/15/2020 at 12:41 AM, exdraken said:

this beast is big!

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started to have a closer look today :)

crsip and clear, nicely detailed , as usually with Trumpeter!

 

the Tornado is 1/48 as well in case you doubt it! :D

 

It's no J-8B big, it's Tornado little!

😉😁😛

Size's  J-8B close to Su-15, and similar close to F-102/F-106, but Tornado in class specially making variable wing degrees fighter-bomber most compact aircraft. By the way, in some Soviet special military analyzes, this was considered a disadvantage since it was believed that it reduces the survivability of the aircraft when hit.

 

B.R.

Serge

 

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it is not even THAT big I just noted...

the postman dropped this of today to my big surprise! (was expecting this shippment early next year at the earliest!)

 

for those who know :devil:

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:cheers:

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Is that what I think it is underneath and if so who makes the kit?

Also, are you going to build it in this GB? :bounce:

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10 hours ago, exdraken said:

It is brand new and from Trumpeter of course.... 

:D

It makes sense they'd be first to kit it. Hopefully one of their more accurate ones :pray:

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2 hours ago, Col. said:

It makes sense they'd be first to kit it. Hopefully one of their more accurate ones :pray:

Who is going to judge it ;)

Do not hold your breath regarding the cockpit.... also the nozzles are on the weak side compared to e.g their Flanker series... :wall:

Compare it to HB  F-23 ...

 

But its size and shape is impressive! Rather sleek !

 

 

 

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Mighty dragon?,and it is indeed big , very nice werner, i hope we don't have to wait long too see  this built up

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On 11/19/2020 at 3:43 PM, Hewy said:

Mighty dragon?,and it is indeed big , very nice werner, i hope we don't have to wait long too see  this built up

:D you think I should do a Chinese double?  ... maybe indeed after the Tornado pair..

 

I was hoping for some AM though...

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On 11/18/2020 at 10:55 PM, exdraken said:

today to my big surprise! (was expecting this shippment early next year at the earliest!)

 

for those who know :devil:

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:cheers:

So, are You saying that J-20 is J-8B on steroids? Mighty steroid Dragon? Sensation hypothesis!!!

😉😁

B.w. I came across a no less sensational article here, where the author gives an unfounded hypothesis that the D-8 is based ..... drum roll .... on the Sukhoi T-5 !!!! 😁😁

 

As a demonstrative attempt to pull an owl onto the globe  😁😁😁, even

even a photo is given:

 

http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/27796_800.jpg

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But if we look  on poor scheme given in the article as evidence of the similarity of T-5 and J-8:

http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/28434_original.jpg

 

We will suddenly see that the main wheel bays of the T-5 are completely different from the J-8, because the T-5, like the Su-9/11/15, is completely retracted into the wing, at the same time, the wheel of the J-8 is retracted into the fuselage.  like the MiG-21 / I-7/I-75/E-150/E-152.

The complete conspiracy opus is here:
http://alternathistory.com/promezhutochnyj-sovetskij-samolyot-t-5-i-ego-postoyannaya-kitajskaya-kopiya-j-8/

 

B.R.

Serge

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time to catch up here as well!

yesterday i fist had a look at the kit after nearly 2 months :wall

 

the cockpit looks reasonably detailed

anyway, there is no aftermarket one available... interestingly you get a choice of 2 ejection seats...

but it seems only the one below is designed to fit the pit.....

 

the look a bit like a mix of a MB MK.10 (headbox) and the Russian type K-36 (seat structure and ...)HUH94hZ.jpg

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nose landing gear parts

 

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the left seat fits the tub, the right one, separately packed! not....

 

you also get a big fin ;)

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more soon!

 

 

 

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Good to see you cutting plastic on this one Werner :thumbsup:

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small updates:

engine/ exhaust / nozzle:

I'r say too small (should be the same size and more or less the same in general as a MiG-21 R-11 engine if I understand correctly )

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heavy ejector pin marks, but I did not bother... I guess they will not be visible anyways

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with some paint, ok definitely

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but at least as long as the originals!

 

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not bad, but not Eduard either!

 

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two pairs of airbrakes! and a main landing gear bay of course

 

 

 

 

 

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This looks to be coming together well Werner :thumbsup:

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