exdraken Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 looks like a oversized MiG-21, but is a Shenyang F-8B Finback! some more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8 http://www.easternorbat.com/html/shenyang_mr_j-8f_finback_eng.html Seems to still be in service in its upgraded form as J-8E/F I do not know a lot about it, but this will improve for sure in due course current ones seem to be light grey, not white by the way! https://sinodefence.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/shenyang-j8/ http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Fighters.html#mozTocId193297 http://www.ausairpower.net/PLA-AF/J-8B-PLAAF-1S.jpg http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/sac_j8_finback.htm https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/96781_1090354812.jpg 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 59 minutes ago, exdraken said: I do not know a lot about it, but this will improve for sure in due course current ones seem to be light grey, not white by the way! http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/after_1950/J-8B/ http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/howard_mason/j-8b_finback_b/ Now You know more! Also, as I remember @Flankerman taking photo of J-8B during his travels on China. B.w. but it's most probably no service camouflage, it's probably museum art. B.R. Serge 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Excellent subject choice Werner. Don't know a lot about these machines either but they certainly look cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Col. said: Don't know a lot about these machines Common! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Shenyang_J-8_81192_harrasses_American_aircraft.webm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Aardvark said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident B.R. Serge Yes, I remember the incident...but did not the fighters involved! One definitely did not make it back.... no progress of course yet but sprues and some observations: quite a lot! and it is BIG! wings and stabs really look like upscaled MiG-21 parts, the modified front fuselage of course not this kit is already several years old, but also then Trumpeter had good tooling capabilities and nice detail (shape and research were also issues back then, nothing new...) thes nozzle fairing seems to be slide molded, and is packed separately decals with some nice unit? markings cockpit decals look a bit toy or sci-fi like ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) Hi Guys, I am almost certainly wrong about this but do any of you recall the experimental Mig aircraft that for a while was labelled Mig-23 Flipper by Nato? I believe it started life as a single engined bigger version of the Mig-21 and then had twin engines substituted, and claimed quite a few records as it had a top speed close to Mach 3. However after a few years it was abandoned. Now I seem to recall reading in a book, possibly one of the series of "War Machine" ones, in this case "The Chinese War Machine" which I borrowed from the library, that China had aquired details and were trying to develop it further and that was the basis of the first version of the Finback - J-8A which had a nose intake pending development of a better radar. Once that arrived it was redesigned with a radar nose and side intakes to become the J-8B. This is the final version known as the Ye-152. As I say I am probably completely wrong but does anybody have any thoughts? Later, just noticed that the Wiki article on the Chengdu-J7 (Mig -21 clone) actually mentions that the Finback A was a cross between the Mig-21 and the Ye-152 which they had aquired drawings of, and that the nose and intakes for the Finback B were based on the actual Mig-23, so maybe I am not all that wrong after all. Pete Edited November 6, 2020 by PeterB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Pete, I wrote about this in the Chat of this GB. In fact J-8-I and Ye-152A similar enough as the planes of one design school can be similar ... more precisely, the planes of a student (China) and a teacher (USSR). There is even a conspiracy theory that the USSR transferred some E-152A drawings to China. In fact, with a common idea and identical engines, the fuselage of the E-152A and J-8-I are different in design. In J-8-I the expansion for two engines begins in the cockpit area, and section J-8-I - oval, but for the E-152A, first there is a circle in cross section and the expansion for two engines begins where the wings end and the tail begins. As I think J-8-I aerodynamics better, but Ye-152A has less weight. The problem is that the two-engine E-152A was a reserve in case of failure of the single-engine E-152-1, but the E-152A had almost no advantages over the Su-9 / Su-11, which were already in service. Moreover, the E-150-E-152 heavy MiGs are actually of the same dimension as the Su-9 / Su-11! Yes Ye-150/152 had a higher speed than the Su-9/11, so Sukhoi made his answer to the E-150/152 series - Sukhoi T-37, which was built but never took off ... because on the horizon the great and terrible E-155, the future MiG-25. B.w. Sukhoi was own two engine modification Su-9 - Sukhoi T-5, which because of the wide waist with two engine was named Motherland. 😁 But in fact T-5 was testbed for T-58 future Su-15. The successes of the Su-15 haunted Yakovlev, so he converted his Yak-28PM with wing engines into the Yak-28-64 version with two engines in the fuselage, but the Yak-28-64 turned out to be complete 💩. The successes of the Su-15 most likely haunted the Chinese, so they decided to upgrade their J-8-I to J-8B by making side air intakes, the design of which they spied on the MiG-23, which they bought from Egypt. In turn, the air intakes in the MiG-23 are somehow very suspiciously similar to the air intakes of the F-4 Phantom ...😁 This is my short version of the development of events. B.R. Serge 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 this beast is big! started to have a closer look today crsip and clear, nicely detailed , as usually with Trumpeter! the Tornado is 1/48 as well in case you doubt it! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Nice size comparison, a very attractive aircraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Knew it was a big aircraft but didn't realise just how big! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Hi Werner, good start. Great to see some Chinese subjects. I have their J-8D and it is a really nice kit. A pity they never tooled the J-8I (the first version with the MiG-21 type central intake). Will follow with interest Cheers Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/15/2020 at 12:41 AM, exdraken said: this beast is big! started to have a closer look today crsip and clear, nicely detailed , as usually with Trumpeter! the Tornado is 1/48 as well in case you doubt it! It's no J-8B big, it's Tornado little! 😉😁😛 Size's J-8B close to Su-15, and similar close to F-102/F-106, but Tornado in class specially making variable wing degrees fighter-bomber most compact aircraft. By the way, in some Soviet special military analyzes, this was considered a disadvantage since it was believed that it reduces the survivability of the aircraft when hit. B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 it is not even THAT big I just noted... the postman dropped this of today to my big surprise! (was expecting this shippment early next year at the earliest!) for those who know 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Is that what I think it is underneath and if so who makes the kit? Also, are you going to build it in this GB? Edited November 18, 2020 by Col. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 It is brand new and from Trumpeter of course.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 10 hours ago, exdraken said: It is brand new and from Trumpeter of course.... It makes sense they'd be first to kit it. Hopefully one of their more accurate ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Col. said: It makes sense they'd be first to kit it. Hopefully one of their more accurate ones Who is going to judge it Do not hold your breath regarding the cockpit.... also the nozzles are on the weak side compared to e.g their Flanker series... Compare it to HB F-23 ... But its size and shape is impressive! Rather sleek ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Mighty dragon?,and it is indeed big , very nice werner, i hope we don't have to wait long too see this built up Edited November 19, 2020 by Hewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 3:43 PM, Hewy said: Mighty dragon?,and it is indeed big , very nice werner, i hope we don't have to wait long too see this built up you think I should do a Chinese double? ... maybe indeed after the Tornado pair.. I was hoping for some AM though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, exdraken said: you think I should do a Chinese double? Can't do any harm 👍🤗 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 11/18/2020 at 10:55 PM, exdraken said: today to my big surprise! (was expecting this shippment early next year at the earliest!) for those who know So, are You saying that J-20 is J-8B on steroids? Mighty steroid Dragon? Sensation hypothesis!!! 😉😁 B.w. I came across a no less sensational article here, where the author gives an unfounded hypothesis that the D-8 is based ..... drum roll .... on the Sukhoi T-5 !!!! 😁😁 As a demonstrative attempt to pull an owl onto the globe 😁😁😁, even even a photo is given: http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/27796_800.jpg http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/28122_800.jpg http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/28177_800.jpg But if we look on poor scheme given in the article as evidence of the similarity of T-5 and J-8: http://alternathistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/28434_original.jpg We will suddenly see that the main wheel bays of the T-5 are completely different from the J-8, because the T-5, like the Su-9/11/15, is completely retracted into the wing, at the same time, the wheel of the J-8 is retracted into the fuselage. like the MiG-21 / I-7/I-75/E-150/E-152. The complete conspiracy opus is here: http://alternathistory.com/promezhutochnyj-sovetskij-samolyot-t-5-i-ego-postoyannaya-kitajskaya-kopiya-j-8/ B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 time to catch up here as well! yesterday i fist had a look at the kit after nearly 2 months :wall the cockpit looks reasonably detailed anyway, there is no aftermarket one available... interestingly you get a choice of 2 ejection seats... but it seems only the one below is designed to fit the pit..... the look a bit like a mix of a MB MK.10 (headbox) and the Russian type K-36 (seat structure and ...) nose landing gear parts the left seat fits the tub, the right one, separately packed! not.... you also get a big fin more soon! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Good to see you cutting plastic on this one Werner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 small updates: engine/ exhaust / nozzle: I'r say too small (should be the same size and more or less the same in general as a MiG-21 R-11 engine if I understand correctly ) heavy ejector pin marks, but I did not bother... I guess they will not be visible anyways with some paint, ok definitely but at least as long as the originals! not bad, but not Eduard either! two pairs of airbrakes! and a main landing gear bay of course 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 This looks to be coming together well Werner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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