cherisy Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 HI all I have got my hands on an old Frog Canberra B(I)8 and want to go with the 88 Sqn markings from the early 60s. With the belly mounted gunpack I was looking at some wing pylon mounted ordinance .There seems very little online ( or perhaps I have missed it) so was thinking of using a pair of 540 lb bombs from the Phantom FGR1 kit. Does anyone know when the 540s first entered service and would they be correct for the early 60s? If not what else would have been carried at that time? Thanks in advance Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 You could fit 2X 1000lb bombs or from the late 60's 155 SNEB rocket pods. They were probably cleared for 540's but I have never seen an image of one so loaded. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) A modeler on the IPMS Chile site posted this image showing a Peruvian loadout - I have no idea if this is accurate, or if it would be applicable to RAF aircraft (from here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ipmschile/canberra-b-i-8-fap-airfix-1-72-t12.html) Also, this build contains a Venezuelan aircraft fitted with guns and rockets - the builder may have some insights and sources relating to possible loadouts (again, I'm not sure how applicable they may be to RAF aircraft) : http://scalemodelshobby.blogspot.com/2011/01/canberra-bimk8-venezuelan-style.html Edited October 17, 2020 by Blimpyboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 According to the B(I)8 AP your options are, 2 X 1000 lb bombs 2 x 1900 lb Mk.7 bombs 2 x 4.5 inch RP pods 2 x 25lb practice bombs (for LABS role) It would appear the wing pylons were used most when the rear of the bomb bay was occupied by the gun pack John 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 10:46 PM, Selwyn said: You could fit 2X 1000lb bombs or from the late 60's 155 SNEB rocket pods. They were probably cleared for 540's but I have never seen an image of one so loaded. Selwyn I think it may have to be 1000lb bombs as it seems 88 sqn disbanded in 1962 so a bit too early for 155s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 12:05 PM, canberra kid said: According to the B(I)8 AP your options are, 2 X 1000 lb bombs 2 x 1900 lb Mk.7 bombs 2 x 4.5 inch RP pods 2 x 25lb practice bombs (for LABS role) It would appear the wing pylons were used most when the rear of the bomb bay was occupied by the gun pack John Thanks John, Ive tried looking for a photo of the 4.5 inch RP pods online but keep coming up with the US WW2 version. Any idea what they looked like? I take it the bombs were the modern typre and not the ww2 MC type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Search for Matra 155 (practice, conical nose) or 166 (round nose, combat). The rockets are SNEBs, so you could search under that name. Anyone who has the older Airfix Jaguar, Harrier, Hawk etc kits will have loads of the 155s in his spares box. I certainly did, until I threw them all out as clutter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: Search for Matra 155 (practice, conical nose) or 166 (round nose, combat). The rockets are SNEBs, so you could search under that name. Anyone who has the older Airfix Jaguar, Harrier, Hawk etc kits will have loads of the 155s in his spares box. I certainly did, until I threw them all out as clutter. Brilliant thanks Graham. It just so happens I have three old Airfix Jaguars in the stash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 12:05 PM, canberra kid said: According to the B(I)8 AP your options are, 2 X 1000 lb bombs 2 x 1900 lb Mk.7 bombs 2 x 4.5 inch RP pods 2 x 25lb practice bombs (for LABS role) It would appear the wing pylons were used most when the rear of the bomb bay was occupied by the gun pack John Dont get confused about Mk 7 Bombs The US Nuclear weapon used by the German based canberras was the Mk 7 but The RAF Mk 7 bomb was a 1000lb HE Weapon As far as I know the RAF did not use 4,5" rockets. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Search for Matra 155 (practice, conical nose) or 166 (round nose, combat). The rockets are SNEBs, so you could search under that name. Anyone who has the older Airfix Jaguar, Harrier, Hawk etc kits will have loads of the 155s in his spares box. I certainly did, until I threw them all out as clutter. Graham, thats the 116 pod not the 166! Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I knew that ... clearly my fingers didn't! Sorry. However, I assumed he wanted the pods on the Canberra and the 4.5in was a misunderstanding. I didn't have any kit that provided the 116, but did modify some from 155s - cut, file and fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Selwyn said: Dont get confused about Mk 7 Bombs The US Nuclear weapon used by the German based canberras was the Mk 7 but The RAF Mk 7 bomb was a 1000lb HE Weapon As far as I know the RAF did not use 4,5" rockets. Selwyn I'm I bow to your superior knowledge, I'm only repeating what it says in the book. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 12:20 PM, Selwyn said: Dont get confused about Mk 7 Bombs The US Nuclear weapon used by the German based canberras was the Mk 7 but The RAF Mk 7 bomb was a 1000lb HE Weapon As far as I know the RAF did not use 4,5" rockets. Selwyn Is that the same Mk7 offered by Valom? I take it that would be carried internally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 6:25 PM, canberra kid said: John Nice photo. Is that 1000lb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, cherisy said: Is that the same Mk7 offered by Valom? I take it that would be carried internally? Is that the 100lb mk 7 or the 1900lb mk 7? Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, cherisy said: Nice photo. Is that 1000lb? 1000lb bomb, (this is Not a mk 7 by the way!) Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 10:47 PM, Selwyn said: Is that the 100lb mk 7 or the 1900lb mk 7? Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) @Selwyn the above is the AP page with the 1900 lbs Mk.7 Edited October 24, 2020 by canberra kid Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, canberra kid said: @Selwyn the above is the AP page with the 1900 lbs Mk.7 Its a bit puzzling as the RAF did not use any bombs greater than 1000lb postwar. (The new postwar 2000lb bomb was never put into production, although I think they probably still had some WW2 larger bombs in store, and they were probably cleared for Internal carriage on the B2 and carried over to the B(I)8. Also please see the note at the bottom of the page ). The RAF as far as I know never had a 1900lb bomb in postwar service. I naturally assumed firsthand that it was the US Mk 7 Nuclear Bomb that was used by RAFG canberra Squadrons under SACEUR control but they were 1600lb weapons, not 1900lb. Looking at the AP page it states that the wing mounted bombs were used as a alternative to, " Rocket Batteries." I cannot concieve that a 1900lb bomb would be used as an alternative to rockets, certainly not a nuclear weapon! So thinking about it, I suggest this could possibly be just as simple as a Typo, the author put in 1900lb instead of 1000lb. "9" and "0" are next to each other on a keyboard after all. Also I do have a picture somewhere of a B(I)8 with 1000lb Mk 7 bombs on the wing pylons somewhere. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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