Robert Stuart Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Been thinking about this for some time now - an Armoured Car build The armoured car appeared long before the tank emerged from the mud. In Britain, the all of the armed services have used armoured cars at one time or another. Overseas, most modern countries with an armed force have used armoured cars. Definition, from Wikipedia: "A military armored (or armoured) car is a lightweight wheeled armored fighting vehicle, historically employed for reconnaissance, internal security, armed escort, and other subordinate battlefield tasks." What do you think guys? Isn't it time to let a wheeled armoured vehicle into the light? Or at least, give it a group build... ----- Following discussion this build will include halftracks Quote I've been mulling this over and I've had a search which turned up nothing so here goes: Halftracks. One or more wheels at the front, at least one continuous track at the back [1] Things started with the Kégresse tracked vehicles produced in 1911 for Czar Nicholas (and Lenin had a half track Rolls Royce. Very egalitarian) progressed through the Holt tractors and British APCs of the Great War then went a bit crazy in the 30s and into WW2 (just two examples - the Sd.Kfz 251 had well over 20 specialised versions while the White M3 served with nearly 50 nations and for almost 50 years in versions from the basic APC to the heavily modified Israeli anti-tank missile carriers). Have a little wander through here if you need some inspiration: Half Tracks From @Foxbat's halftrack GB https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235060070-halftracks/ {edit 16 Aug 2022} Suggested Definitions For the purpose of this build, an armoured car is a land vehicle with road wheels and one or more armoured compartments, usually for the protection of crew and engine. For the purpose of this build, a half-track is a land vehicle that has road wheels and tracks. It does not have to be armoured. Fully tracked vehicles are not allowed. {/edit} Signed up Robert Stuart (co-host) JohnT Black Knight CliffB CorsairFoxFourUncle RetiredBob Foxbat Jb65rams klr Arniec trickyrich Erwin modelling minion diases Ted Hockeyboy76 Jockney sampanzer dnl42 TEMPESTMK5 Scargsy Marklo (co-host) badger Julien Bbdave Six97s JackG Jasper dog M3talpig Longbow JeroenS AndyJ Bullbasket desert falcon diablo rsv robw_uk Tim R-T-C fatfingers Andy Moore coolhand bigfoot HobbyPaul Rob S sardaukar John Ray_W Trevor L Bertie Psmith TonyOD TimJ PlaStix Avereda John Masters Lazy Modeller Geo1966 THEscaleSHOW IanC Muchmirth Threadbear PeterB edjbartos Enzo Matrix Courageous stevej60 ColonelKrypton StuartH Ned Arie Vos Stef N. SoftScience planecrazee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Hmnnnn not an armour modeller myself but I do love the look of the Fox. I suggested to Mrs T that we needed an off raider as living in the sticks. For some reason she immediately became suspicious as to my intentions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Black Knight said: ?? for getting the bog rolls at Asda and back home? I'm a maybe to this GB The delights of autocorrect Actually not a bad idea. At least you won’t get bodywork dings in the car park I was interested to see AA do a 1/35 model. Not so interested at the £65 price tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Yes please Robert, probably with a WWI Lanchester. Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Oooh count me in please, do you consider Halftracks armored cars or armored personnel carriers ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 Welcome to the build 11 hours ago, JohnT said: not an armour modeller myself but I do love the look of the Fox. A Fox would be good. Not an armour modeller? That's OK, we are all modellers here, AFVs, aircraft, figures ... ... and, by the time thios gets going, you might find something with a more acceptable price tag out there. 11 hours ago, Black Knight said: I'm a maybe to this GB You are welcome, I'll treat that as a committed maybe 2 hours ago, CliffB said: Yes please Robert, probably with a WWI Lanchester. You are welcome Cliff, a Lanchester is good too, I'd love to see one built. 2 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Oooh count me in please, do you consider Halftracks armored cars or armored personnel carriers ? Welcome Dennis. Somebody was bound to ask about half-tracks; that question is one of my reasons for delaying this build so long. About a year ago, @Foxbat suggested a Halftrack GB. At the time, I felt there might be interest for either a halftrack build, or an armoured car build. To have both suggestions running at the same time might have split community interest, and we'd've lost both builds. Having said which, if Foxbat is willing - I'd be happy to combine the builds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Great idea for a GB, I have some 8 wheeled German vehicles, an American Greyhound or British Humber and Staghounds in the stash to choose from. Count me in, Please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Robert Stuart said: You are welcome Cliff, a Lanchester is good too, I'd love to see one built. Thanks Robert. It was a candidate for the 'In the Navy' Group Build, but I ran out of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Robert Stuart said: Welcome to the build A Fox would be good. Not an armour modeller? That's OK, we are all modellers here, AFVs, aircraft, figures ... ... and, by the time thios gets going, you might find something with a more acceptable price tag out there. You are welcome, I'll treat that as a committed maybe You are welcome Cliff, a Lanchester is good too, I'd love to see one built. Welcome Dennis. Somebody was bound to ask about half-tracks; that question is one of my reasons for delaying this build so long. About a year ago, @Foxbat suggested a Halftrack GB. At the time, I felt there might be interest for either a halftrack build, or an armoured car build. To have both suggestions running at the same time might have split community interest, and we'd've lost both builds. Having said which, if Foxbat is willing - I'd be happy to combine the builds. I think a combined GB is a great idea, so happy to shut mine down and advise people who were interested to sign up here. Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, Foxbat said: I think a combined GB is a great idea, so happy to shut mine down and advise people who were interested to sign up here. Thanks Andy, I will change the title of this build @Corsairfoxfouruncle, yes, halftracks are allowed - thank-you for the question. @Retired Bob, welcome to the build, you have suggested some excellent options for the build 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jb65rams Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I have 2 or 3 armoured cars in the stash, so count me in. jb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klr Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) I have quite a few armoured cars in the stash, and probably at least as many half-tracks, so I'm on board. Some questions: Do the half-tracks have to be armoured, or are "soft-skinned" vehicles eligible? If only armoured, no problem, I still have plenty of those. Would open-topped armoured cars count, such as the Sd.Kfz. 234/3 (75mm infantry support) and /4 (75mm anti-tank) variants? Would a gun-centric variant of a wheeled APC/IFV count? In other words, a variant which does not carry infantry*, and whose role is built around a gun. For example, the LAV-25: This is functionally equivalent to a "true" reconnaissance armoured car, such as the Spähpanzer Luchs. *EDIT: Actually, it does carry some infantry, who act as scouts, therefore extending the basic reconnaissance role. This could end up like a theological discussion ... Edited October 9, 2020 by klr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 Good questions @klr 1 hour ago, klr said: Do the half-tracks have to be armoured, or are "soft-skinned" vehicles eligible? If only armoured, no problem, I still have plenty of those. Given that we are merging with the halftracks GB, soft skin halftracks are eligable. Going to draw the line at wheeled soft-skin vehicles though - no lorries, trucks or jeeps 1 hour ago, klr said: Would open-topped armoured cars count, such as the Sd.Kfz. 234/3 (75mm infantry support) and /4 (75mm anti-tank) variants? Yes 1 hour ago, klr said: Would a gun-centric variant of a wheeled APC/IFV count? In other words, a variant which does not carry infantry*, and whose role is built around a gun. For example, the LAV-25: {snip} This could end up like a theological discussion ... It is armoured and not fully tracked (OK no tracks at all), probably OK. Armoured cars - Yes Halftracks including soft skinned halftracks - Yes Other soft skinned vehicles - No Fully tracked vehicles - No HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Im in either way maybe a dual build ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I am in. got some in the stash, as usual. Cheers, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Arniec said: I am in. got some in the stash, as usual. You are welcome Arnold - ten modellers within the first 24 hours! 3 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Im in either way maybe a dual build ? Sounds good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 actually you can add me to the list as well. I've always wanted to build one on those German 8 Wheeled beasties, either Sd.Kfz-231 or 234 etc, probably a Afrika Korps one. Don't have any in the stash, but there's alway good old evilBay! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Count me in please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 You can add my name to the list, I don't have a suitable kit yet but I have been looking for an excuse to buy one for a while, might get the old school Tamiya 1/35 Sdffz 251. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 08:13, trickyrich said: always wanted to build one on those German 8 Wheeled beasties Sounds tempting On 11/10/2020 at 10:00, Erwin said: Count me in please. You're counted 51 minutes ago, modelling minion said: You can add my name to the list, Will do Welcome all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diases Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Me please. Meatchopper ATM,but may have a look round at other options. Cheers Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, diases said: Me please. Meatchopper ATM,but may have a look round at other options. Had to google that - yes! ideal You are very welcome Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I would join, there are a few armoured car kits in my stash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 Welcome to you too Ted. We are now 15, that's half-way to the vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockeyboy76 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Halftrack me up, I’m in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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