iainpeden Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I'm busy with the Hobby 2000 F-4D (Terrible Tyke 60-279) and finding it hard to find good photos as opposed to profiles and completed models. I managed to find the b/w picture in this thread, looked hard and I suspect that 60-279 had the red turbine stripe through the fuselage insignia - whereas in the coloured picture that a/c clearly haven't. http://master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108295 Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e8n2 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 All of the Air Force F-4s that I have been around had the red turbine warning stripe. I suspect that the one color photo of an AF F-4 was not the greatest quality and in reality the stripe was there. The Navy apparently didn't worry about the turbine warning stripe as much as the AF does. I spent a lot of time around the F-4Ds of the 81st TFW at RAFs Bentwaters and Woodbridge from March of 75 to March of 77. Later, Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Thanks Dave. For those making the Hobby 2000 kit, the red stripe is not included for either option and is not on the colour profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Pete Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Unless you find a proper photo of this specific jet, it will be anyone's guess. But, other jets in the same unit during the same period don't have the red stripe. That's what I would go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 4:36 PM, iainpeden said: I'm busy with the Hobby 2000 F-4D (Terrible Tyke 60-279) and finding it hard to find good photos as opposed to profiles and completed models. I managed to find the b/w picture in this thread, looked hard and I suspect that 60-279 had the red turbine stripe through the fuselage insignia - whereas in the coloured picture that a/c clearly haven't. http://master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108295 Any thoughts? Both 66-8738 (colour photo) and 66-0279 (b/w photo) show the red stripe behind the national insignia. Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) I don't think 66-0279 (not 60-279, no F-4s were ordered in FY 1960.) was assigned to the 497th TSF, according to United States Military Aviation: Air Force by Robert J. Archer it was assigned to the 48th TFW then 474th TFW, not to the 8th TFW. Regarding the red turbine stripe on the F-4s of the 497th TFS, I don't know if "Terrible Tyke" had it or not, but there are many photos of the 497th's F-4 without the red stripe can be found in a book titled Wolfpack Hunting MiGs Over Vietnam by Jerry Scutts. I'm posting a scan of my color photo of F-4D 66-8730 without red stripe for your reference. Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums Edited October 13, 2020 by Junchan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thanks Junchan - that is really useful. I have gone back to the instructions and they show Terrible Tyke as 66-6279 - the tail code is represented on the instructins and the decal sheet as AF60 - 270 (AF60 in small black font, 279 in large white). The photo in the link I posted confirms the 279 part but whether it's AF60 or AF66 is anybody's guess. I agree about the red stripe not always being applied but again I have a feeling from the b/w picture that it's there on -279. Also clear that -279 doesn't have the formation lights whereas 66-8730 in yours does. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, iainpeden said: I have gone back to the instructions and they show Terrible Tyke as 66-6279 - the tail code is represented on the instructins and the decal sheet as AF60 - 270 (AF60 in small black font, 279 in large white). The photo in the link I posted confirms the 279 part but whether it's AF60 or AF66 is anybody's guess. No, it really isn't. It can only be 66-0279. It would have read "AF60-279" on the tail. And, as I mentioned earlier, 279 did have the red stripe. Jens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmat Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Sorry, but it is the 497th TFS, Nite Owls that the decals are for, not the 479th. They were one of the F-4 units in SEA with F-4 with black bottoms. Simple transposing of the two digits. Posted for those, albeit probably very few, who might be confused. Couldn't google a 479th TFS. Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thanks for all the input. What has confused me (easily done !) is that the decal profile on the instructions give the serial number as 66-6279 when it should be 66-0279. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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