moondrome Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 hello fellow modellers, I want to share some progress of this project. so far it has been quite fun and enjoyable to build. I found very useful this post by Pappy (from 2008!) here's my first WIP 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Anything “F-104” Is a must for watching Martin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 some progress was made test fitting the panels. as you can see one of the attitude indicator is upside down, when I realized the mistake it was too late and decals don't forgive... as you can see there's a lot of detail missing behind the instrument panels; this is how the kit was designed. So today I had some covers scratchbuilt to fix this. but I don't have photos yet ( coming soon) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ2016 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 This looks awesome mate, I'm definitely going to do one of these down the track !! Cheers JJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 hello! this rainy weekend was productive, and I can say i'm really enjoying this kit. here's some updated pics as you can see I added some panels on the back of the instrument panels and some wiring. not too much details but better than nothing the seat is still missing some parts , including the belts and cushion i randomly added some tamiya light blue on the cabin because it was looking too flat, also I did some chipping. here's all assembled 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Duvalier Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I remember this kit from years ago but I can't recall ever seeing it built up, looks smashing. Shame about the attitude indicator but it's pretty well obscured in the end. Does there happen to be a date on the kit anywhere? I'm wondering how far back in the dim mists of history it was released. Pretty sure they did an F-16 cockpit also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Jackson Duvalier said: I remember this kit from years ago but I can't recall ever seeing it built up, looks smashing. Shame about the attitude indicator but it's pretty well obscured in the end. Does there happen to be a date on the kit anywhere? I'm wondering how far back in the dim mists of history it was released. Pretty sure they did an F-16 cockpit also. Thank you! according to scalemates this kit was first released in 1983 ( ESCI) and reissued by italeri in 2001 and 2020. unfortunately the f 16 cockpit is not available at the moment from the italeri online shop cheers , daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Duvalier Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm surprised the large-scale model cockpit concept didn't catch on more. Seems like a good way to display a model aircraft in a reasonable scale alongside its cockpit in a larger, more visible, and easier-to-detail size. I spend much time (too much, really) detailing 1/72 cockpits that are never really going to be appreciated because of their tiny size. I enjoy doing it, the voices in my head compel me to do it, but still it'd be nice to see detailed cockpits without resorting to magnification. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 well you should definetly give it a try to this kit then! i'm sure you will have fun. of course there's the typical italeri WTF moments when building this but nothing too serious. Also I haven't seen anyone doing it but I think this kit is suitable for adding some LED lights to the panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 hello! some update on the Martin baker seat: after taking a look at some photos , I removed the central part of the parachute container box and nowyou can partially see the central beam behind. Instead of using the decals for the harness and belt I decided to use some fabric samples and make my belts using the decals as template. I know it sounds easy , but actually it was a tedious process ,and I had to try several times before they looked good enough...😓 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 G'day Moondrome, Great work I am keen to see how this one turns out, looks pretty good so far Pappy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdriaN (MLT) Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 9:47 PM, moondrome said: hello! this rainy weekend was productive, and I can say i'm really enjoying this kit. here's some updated pics as you can see I added some panels on the back of the instrument panels and some wiring. not too much details but better than nothing the seat is still missing some parts , including the belts and cushion i randomly added some tamiya light blue on the cabin because it was looking too flat, also I did some chipping. here's all assembled Looking good! i love the paint chipping on the black parts and faded grey. I started this kit way back in 2009. I stopped becasue I got stuck on the seatbelts part. I painted the individual seatbelts according to photos but i simply couldnt make heads or tails of what belt went where and stopped. It had quite a complex array of seatbelts. I found the instructions quite inaccurate for painting. Infact I painted according to photos. For the bottom seat I pained the lower part yellow and top dark black. Now sure why you opted for light blue? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 thank you @Pappy for taking a look at this thread , and I'm happy you like it! @AdriaN (MLT) : yes ! the instructions are quite hard to understand on the seatbelts. if you lost the seatbelt decals you can try cutting strips from fabric. most of them are 3mm wide, except for the grey one on the quick releasebox which is 6 mm wide and the 4 little ones that are 2mm wide. i can give you more detalied advice on how I did mine if you want. about the color of the seat: yes black seat cushion over yellow is the most common color I found, so you are right. But I found this picture and I liked it more light green ( from Belgian air force I think) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, moondrome said: thank you @Pappy for taking a look at this thread , and I'm happy you like it! @AdriaN (MLT) : yes ! the instructions are quite hard to understand on the seatbelts. if you lost the seatbelt decals you can try cutting strips from fabric. most of them are 3mm wide, except for the grey one on the quick releasebox which is 6 mm wide and the 4 little ones that are 2mm wide. i can give you more detalied advice on how I did mine if you want. about the color of the seat: yes black seat cushion over yellow is the most common color I found, so you are right. But I found this picture and I liked it more light green ( from Belgian air force I think) G'day Daniel, Your cockpit is very heavily chipped and it looks well done and used. That is your preference and I completely respect your choice however, the one point I would raise is that none of the handles have any sign of the same wear or chipping which looks a little out of place for such a worn cockpit. I mean this as constructive feedback and do not intend to give offense. Whilst the ejection handles would only be used once, most of the other handles are for things like the park brake, emergency hook and brake parachute so it makes sense that these would be used more frequently and hence show evidence of wear. Secondly, your photo appears to be of the original (downwards firing) Lockheed seat instead of the later (upwards firing) Martin Baker GQ-7 series seat? Paint colour is also a personal choice but if you are using this picture for reference you may need to do more research, cheers, Pappy Edited October 17, 2020 by Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Pappy said: G'day Daniel, Your cockpit is very heavily chipped and it looks well done and used. That is your preference and I completely respect your choice however, the one point I would raise is that none of the handles have any sign of the same wear or chipping which looks a little out of place for such a worn cockpit. I mean this as constructive feedback and do not intend to give offense. Whilst the ejection handles would only be used once, most of the other handles are for things like the park brake, emergency hook and brake parachute so it makes sense that these would be used more frequently and hence show evidence of wear. Secondly, your photo appears to be of the original (downwards firing) Lockheed seat instead of the later (upwards firing) Martin Baker GQ-7 series seat? Paint colour is also a personal choice but if you are using this picture for reference you may need to do more research, cheers, Pappy hello @Pappy thanks for the feedback !👍 I didn't know about the lockheed seat, I corrected the cushion color , I hope it looks more accurate now. I will also add some weathering to the handles, thanks for making me notice 👍 in the meantime I added the remaining details to the seat: emergency oxygen bottle , the PEC seat portion ( what is this PEC by the way?) , and lower firing handle. I also started the pilot helmet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) G'day Daniel, it looks much better. PEC - Personal Equipment Connector - This is where the pilot's oxygen, microphone lead and G-suit inflation hoses connect to. Normally the oxygen will be delivered by the oxygen regulator (through the PEC) however during an ejection (or cockpit emergency such as fumes in the cockpit ) oxygen can be fed directly to the pilot from the emergency bottle located on the seat, but this will only supply enough for a short duration, say 10-15mins, which would be enough to descend to a breathable altitude (<10,000ft) in the instance of a high altitude emergency. The original Lockheed C-1 seat ejected downwards because the designers did not think it would have enough energy to clear the high T-tail. Unfortunately, this resulted in many deaths during low altitude ejections. Lockheed later re-designed the upwards firing C-2 seat but by this point, many foreign operators had opted (or retrofitted) the GQ-7 series seat (which is what the kit provides -sorta) Keep up the good work, it is looking good! Pappy Edited October 17, 2020 by Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 hello modellers! I want to share with you the latest pictures of this funny but demanding kit. I have finished the helmet, clean the "lab" ( my hobby room) which was super messy, and tried to add some final touches to the cockpit. I added little details to the handles as suggested by @Pappy trying to make the aging more uniform. I hope you like it daniel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdriaN (MLT) Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 6:39 PM, moondrome said: thank you @Pappy for taking a look at this thread , and I'm happy you like it! @AdriaN (MLT) : yes ! the instructions are quite hard to understand on the seatbelts. if you lost the seatbelt decals you can try cutting strips from fabric. most of them are 3mm wide, except for the grey one on the quick releasebox which is 6 mm wide and the 4 little ones that are 2mm wide. i can give you more detalied advice on how I did mine if you want. about the color of the seat: yes black seat cushion over yellow is the most common color I found, so you are right. But I found this picture and I liked it more light green ( from Belgian air force I think) I didnt follow the instructions for painting the kit overall, as they are incorrect! For seatbelts I used..... @Pappy's photos that he had posted way back in 2008! Thank you @Pappy. In fact I had printed them all way back in 2009 and based the seatbelt colours according to HIS seatbelts. But got lost trying to put them into place and also tried adding a few extra seatbelts by painting over the extra blank pieces of the mesh sheet. Did you find the helmet parts didn't fit well? i remember the sun-visor and mask didnt fit onto the helmet part well. What made you go for blue, not red? Never found reference photos of that particular helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, AdriaN (MLT) said: I didnt follow the instructions for painting the kit overall, as they are incorrect! For seatbelts I used..... @Pappy's photos that he had posted way back in 2008! Thank you @Pappy. In fact I had printed them all way back in 2009 and based the seatbelt colours according to HIS seatbelts. But got lost trying to put them into place and also tried adding a few extra seatbelts by painting over the extra blank pieces of the mesh sheet. Did you find the helmet parts didn't fit well? i remember the sun-visor and mask didnt fit onto the helmet part well. What made you go for blue, not red? Never found reference photos of that particular helmet. Hey adrian, yes the oxygen mask doesn't really fit on both sides of the helmet, but anyway for me was fine open so I glued it to just one side. As for the color I just tried blue as in the Italeri gallery https://images.app.goo.gl/VvBzU7eeCJa9v3r98 Cheers Daniel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Looking really good Daniel, I also like the small scratches and wear marks on the helmet, really cool! cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondrome Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Pappy said: Looking really good Daniel, I also like the small scratches and wear marks on the helmet, really cool! cheers, Pappy Thank you! I took inspiration from yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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