Terry1954 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Very nice work Stuart. Just now, Courageous said: It's nearly time to experiment with Alclad as I've never used the stuff before Biggest rule is very very very smooth (shiny) undercoat. You probably knew that but really cant stress that enough. Also, very very light low pressure coats. Spoken from bitter experience! Terry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Great to see it coming together now, cracking job Stuart Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 @Vesa Jussila @bigbadbadge Cheers guys. 3 hours ago, Terry1954 said: Biggest rule is very very very smooth (shiny) undercoat. I've heard this being said although I don't understand why. Normally, paint keys better onto a rough surface unless its a chemical bond. Anyhoo, I have a mule and I will experiment. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, Courageous said: Normally, paint keys better onto a rough surface Hi Stuart This works in a completely different way, in fact you need a very good surface to start with (smooth primer or such), then the gloss coat, and then (when the gloss coat has completely dried) low pressure, repeated thin coats of the metal hue. Polished aluminium is quite bright, it looks a bit like chrome. Aluminium is more realistic. I sometimes apply the polished aluminium and then a careful mist of aluminum to tone it down a notch. I use a Alclad Aqua clear acrylic finish (any clear acrylic finish may do). Any surface defect will be made quite obvious. Applied properly, Alclad II is a good finish. I don't use Alclad II own Gloss Black base, as I have repeatedly and consistently had problems with it (not drying, crackling, micro-bubbling, etc), so I use gloss enamel as a base coat, mostly black. Any brand you like may do, I use Humbrol or Model Master. Again, applied properly, very glossy, and let it dry thoroughly without being exposed to dust, lint and such. Other modelers may have other approaches to this. Hope this helps. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm still here, just waiting for a delievry of Alclad. In the meantime parts were painted black which was satin, then a gloss coat but I might need have to give another coat to make it more shiny. Playing around with Alcad, well two shades at the moment; Polished Aluminium on the right and Duraluminium next to it. Light isn't doing me any favours but it doesn't look too bad to the naked eye. The spinner & exhaust shroud will be bright, so the polished is a must, the rest of the model will be...not. Stuart 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Courageous said: satin, Looking promising! Why did you use satin? A gloss base paint does much better with Alclad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Looks good. I agree with Moa that gloss will work better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 @Moa makes a good point re gloss undercoat. The playing around with Alclad on that Sabre paint mule is looking rather good though. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Moa said: Why did you use satin? 1 hour ago, Vesa Jussila said: I agree with Moa that gloss will work better. 44 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: good point re gloss undercoat. Tough crowd. Satin was used 'cos that's what I had a hand, because I'm old duffer and forgot to buy some gloss and at this stage I'm getting impatient. I should redeem some points for applying a gloss coat surely... My experimentation with the black & Alclad have worked well. I've evn tried a masking tape removal routine and had no paint removal, that's a plus. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Looks good in the black undercoat, I cannot advise you re the undercoat as I don't use those paints anyway so to me it looks good, can't wait to see the top coats on. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Courageous said: My experimentation with the black & Alclad have worked well. I've evn tried a masking tape removal routine and had no paint removal, that's a plus. When you follow the rules with Alclad, it's the biz. If you don't, it will bite! Looks like you are having a very good first experience. Keep at it! Terry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Afternoon all, thought I'd pop in with a little update. This build has taken on a slowness that I'm not liking, mainly getting use to this Alclad stuff. I thought that I'd done a good job getting it to the black base coat but alas not so. After applying Alclad Duraluminium as the overall colour, I was disgusted with what errors it showed up. Needless to say, the mojo sank and had to be put aside until I was ready to tackle it. This I have done but I'm still not happy with it but I'm going to finish this, warts and all and put it down to experience. To quote an entry or two from many a school report; 'can do better' & 'room for improvement'. Duralumium applied overall with Polished Aluminium being applied to the spinner and exhaust shrouds. For a first time outing with the Alclad, I'm impressed with how it sprays, had no problems with lifting after masking, nice but it bites you if you haven't done the adequate prep work before hand. Next step decals. Stuart 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Looks good to me, but I am no expert with these paints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Courageous said: For a first time outing with the Alclad, I'm impressed with how it sprays, had no problems with lifting after masking, nice but it bites you I have had similar experiences, but if you do everything by the book it can be very impressive. As you say it airbrushes like a dream. I can't comment on your picture as for some reason postimg is not loading for me at the moment. Just had a similar experience over on Bill's thread, so not sure what that's about! Will check again later. Terry PS Just checked and I can see the picture now, and that Alclad looks pretty damned good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think for what I see that you have done a splendid job in this first approach. The more you use the paint, the better results you will get, as with everything else. A blemish-free surface, a gloss paint as a base, and careful airbrushing without overloading, are the things that work for me. Well done! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalensis Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Good to hear you are making progress. I too can not get the photos to show unfortunately, but I can second everything @Moa wrote about preparation and requirements. That is also what works for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Cheers guys. much appreciated. The above pic is the best side, we all have a good side when it comes to a photo... Using the Alclad wasn't the problem, it's the prep work work, or the lack of it my case, I'll know better next time. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 White decal underlays are down. Stuart 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Looks good Stuart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 I was hoping to finish this before Christmas but the modelling Gods were conspiring against me in so many ways; things didn't go right, the decals didn't go right, dropped not once but twice...I walked away. Sometime over the Christmas break, I made good the repairs as best as could be done and now it's done. Not my best by a long way but I've learnt much with this build. RFI here: Stuart 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Happy New year Stuart. 33 minutes ago, Courageous said: I was hoping to finish this before Christmas but the modelling Gods were conspiring against me in so many ways; things didn't go right, the decals didn't go right, dropped not once but twice...I walked away. It sort of thing happens to us all. I finished off my old Heller Spitfire V before Christmas and I was very unhappy with it, especially the canopy. Didn't even RFI it. General loss of mojo at the moment, and I have a commission build to get finished which I can't muster much enthusiasm for. Things will improve though, they always do! The Heston looks fine from here, and I'll pop over and have a peek in the RFI. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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