Slater Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I would imagine that this doesn't come as a complete surprise: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/09/22/cash-strapped-britain-eyes-shrinking-its-order-of-new-early-warning-planes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) Gotta pay for the NHS (or more F-35s, or carrier spares, or submarines) somehow. Maybe the UK could sell some tanks to scrape up some cash... 😉 Edited September 23, 2020 by Blimpyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 So, one in depth maintenance, one in routine maintenance, and the other has just gone u/s. That figures. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Truro Model Builder said: and the other has just gone u/s. That figures. Or mothballed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Truro Model Builder said: So, one in depth maintenance, one in routine maintenance, and the other has just gone u/s. That figures. Yep 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Still with one in depth and the other in MU that's plenty of spares for the flyer....LMAO ...then theres the crows nest fiasco....we are kinda not well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head in the clouds. Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Speechless ( for sake of my membership}😉. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Is this because Britains economical success caused by the planned exit from EU or despite? Apart from that, everything is always only cut/ reduced.... What is happening with Crows Nest apart from delays? I eonder if the PoW will really enter service as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 Numbers aside, Wedgetail HAS to be superior to the USAF's fleet of geriatric E-3's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 47 minutes ago, Slater said: Numbers aside, Wedgetail HAS to be superior to the USAF's fleet of geriatric E-3's. Why exactly? Those E-3s are constantly upgraded in contrast to the E-3Ds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwenS Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Slater said: Numbers aside, Wedgetail HAS to be superior to the USAF's fleet of geriatric E-3's. Why? The E-3 has been and continues to be subject to electronic upgrade programmes for the USAF and other countries. It is not scheduled to leave service for another 10-15 years. AIUI the reason we are having to replace our E-3D aircraft is that we did not take up the opportunities to keep our aircraft up to the latest standards as part of the defence cutbacks. The position that we are now in is that we are buying the Wedgetail at a time when the design is over 10 years old, but again is subject to upgrades. Australia, the first customer for it, published its long term defence plans earlier this year. They show spending on upgrades to the late 2020s followed by spending on a successor platform thereafter. So far the only other customers have been Turkey and South Korea. So we now find ourselves in the position that our AEW&C procurement is out of step with much of the world, and we are investing in a platform that in less than 10 years could well be an orphan with so few users that interest in upgrades may well be too expensive. So what do we do then? Just maybe, cutting back the E-7 programme now, working the lesser number of aircraft to death over the next 10 years and getting in on the ground floor of the next programme might just be a good plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, exdraken said: What is happening with Crows Nest apart from delays? Long story short, it involves a few big companies, all of which need to agree on every aspect of the design, all of which need to individually sign off the design. Another issue is the size of the whole project is relatively small to one of the main companies therefore there is (understandably) not much urgency from them. They have been test flying them almost non stop over summer, I've seen them quite a lot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, wellsprop said: Long story short, it involves a few big companies, all of which need to agree on every aspect of the design, all of which need to individually sign off the design. Another issue is the size of the whole project is relatively small to one of the main companies therefore there is (understandably) not much urgency from them. They have been test flying them almost non stop over summer, I've seen them quite a lot! Thats it you are on a list now people are watching you👀😯😂😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 7 hours ago, exdraken said: Is this because Britains economical success caused by the planned exit from EU or despite? Chap, that is probably a subject left out of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Once again we look to cut, let's save money now to pay out more in the long run. Let's not worry about wars, we aren't going to be fighting any in the next 10 years are we?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Whitewolf said: Let's not worry about wars, we aren't going to be fighting any in the next 10 years are we? Sure won’t. And if you do, you’ll have NATO or the US to help... 😉 Shades of pre-WWII Australia: https://eprints.qut.edu.au/87976/6/James_Rorrison_Thesis.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 23/09/2020 at 11:27, Truro Model Builder said: So, one in depth maintenance, one in routine maintenance, and the other has just gone u/s. That figures. On 23/09/2020 at 13:21, Jabba said: Or mothballed. Or just do what they did with the new Nimrod MR4 airframes last time round and crush it with a digger 10 hours ago, exdraken said: I eonder if the PoW will really enter service as well... I recall Sandy Woodward making the point that you need 3 carriers to be credible. One in refit and 2 decks for operations. His position was that if he lost one of the carriers in 1982 it was go home time. I don’t pretend to know naval strategy but presumably he had more than an inkling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 There are no votes in military spending. And that's enough of the politics, or the grown-ups will stop us from playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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