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Nearly time to start a new kit, and this time it will be Trumpeter's 1/72 Tu-16K.  Any building tips and gen on pitfalls will be gratefully received - but first, a few odd questions of my own.

 

I have the NeOmega intake mouths - a must, as the kit has a peculiar straight edge on the inboard side.  But they came with no instructions and I can't find any on their website, so I'm not sure where to cut off the kit parts and replace them with the resin.  I'd ask for a copy of the instructions but on past experience it will look like something that fits inside a Christmas cracker and consist of an arrow pointing vaguely from one part to the other.  Can anyone fill me in?

 

The kit is nominally a Tu-16K-10 (Badger-C) but with the missile options can be built as a Tu-16K-10-26 (Badger-C mod).  That will be mine: fixing the lack of a centreline recess for the AS-2 is beyond me, so it will be one underwing AS-6 instead.  All my reference material shows Badger-Gs in overall bare metal or bare metal with white undersides, but for the C and C mod, only bare metal.  Would a white underside on a Badger-C mod be possible?*  And on a related note, does anyone know of any suitable decals?  The kit's are pretty spare and they don't look all that good either.

 

* a Badger-G or G mod might be possible, except that there don't appear to be enough interior parts for the glazed nose version.  Dunno where they've gone.

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Hi Pigsty :)

 

Badger-Cs were always in natural metal and nothing else. Only the glass nosed machines featured white lower sides sometimes.

 

Regarding buildability I really recommend the following thread which covers the exact variant you want to do and may helps you regarding the NeOmega set.

Generally speaking, this kit is one of Trumpeters earlier efforts so expect to dry fit everything and expect the use of filler. Don't know if you are interested in an accuracy discussion but as I have the Badger-G kit and compared it to photos and plans and I will only tell you that you that it generally looks like a Tu-16. If you want to go further, expect a lot of hacking...:confused:

 

For decals, a few generic red stars and small numbers would do as the Badger-Cs were pretty uniform (and boring) in this regard and I've not seen any specific decals for the "C".

 

Cheers

Markus

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Eagle Strike 72-042 is the only aftermarket decal set I'm aware of for the Badger. It only includes basic markings for glazed nose versions (Soviet, Egyptian, and Chinese).

 

I realize Trumpeter's Badger family aren't the newest (or best) kits, but it is somewhat surprising that it hasn't been covered by one of the "usual suspects" for Soviet/Russian types like Begemot or Authentic.

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On 9/21/2020 at 9:06 PM, pigsty said:

Nearly time to start a new kit, and this time it will be Trumpeter's 1/72 Tu-16K.  Any building tips and gen on pitfalls will be gratefully received - but first, a few odd questions of my own.

 

I have the NeOmega intake mouths - a must, as the kit has a peculiar straight edge on the inboard side.  But they came with no instructions and I can't find any on their website, so I'm not sure where to cut off the kit parts and replace them with the resin.  I'd ask for a copy of the instructions but on past experience it will look like something that fits inside a Christmas cracker and consist of an arrow pointing vaguely from one part to the other.  Can anyone fill me in?

 

The kit is nominally a Tu-16K-10 (Badger-C) but with the missile options can be built as a Tu-16K-10-26 (Badger-C mod).  That will be mine: fixing the lack of a centreline recess for the AS-2 is beyond me, so it will be one underwing AS-6 instead.  All my reference material shows Badger-Gs in overall bare metal or bare metal with white undersides, but for the C and C mod, only bare metal.  Would a white underside on a Badger-C mod be possible?*  And on a related note, does anyone know of any suitable decals?  The kit's are pretty spare and they don't look all that good either.

 

* a Badger-G or G mod might be possible, except that there don't appear to be enough interior parts for the glazed nose version.  Dunno where they've gone.

Hi Pigsty,

 

thanks to @Shorty84

 

I have been taking and leaving the construction of this model for at least 2 years ...

 

any information, I'm at your disposal ...

 

in the wip, you will find almost everything ...

 

unfortunately the trumpeter has many errors ... at the moment I have decide to modify the tail plans which are also wrong ...

 

ciao Silvano

 

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Thank you all.

 

That's an awful lot of work to correct the old thing, more than I can manage.  Odd that the likes of NeOmega haven't dealt with it more thoroughly, but that'll save me a few bob, at least.  I think I'll just press on as it is - the old principle of it looks more like a Badger than anything else will have to do.

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On 9/21/2020 at 10:06 PM, pigsty said:

Nearly time to start a new kit, and this time it will be Trumpeter's 1/72 Tu-16K.  Any building tips and gen on pitfalls will be gratefully received

Tu-16 from Trumpeters? 

😲🤔

Epigraph:
 "We sing a song to the madness of the brave!" (с) The Falcon Song
 story by Maxim Gorky,  1899 year

😁

The most complete collection of information about the Tu-16, which is on the Internet:

 

http://www.tu16-badger.com/420943400


after which the majority either does not want to do the Trumpeter, putting it on the shelf or burns / blows😉😁 up the model from the Trumpeter, and leaves for Haiti to study the magic of the Voodoo priests in order to impose the most powerful curse on the Trumpeter !😁😁

But 🤔 if You still don't give up, here are three more links for You:

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73046&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


http://scalemodels.ru/articles/748-Trumpeter-1-72-konversi-tu-16-k-26Tu-16-Badger.html


http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_5276.html


B.R.
Serge

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There is this set: http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110525

 

Otherwise, here are some interesting shots of alternate weapon loads (missiles are so passé), some of which can be found in Aardvark's list of links:

 

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There's some markings fun to be had, with the award markings and this ace's 'kills'!

 

tu16k10-26-12.jpg

 

 

 

And remember, no panel lines:

 

Tu-16K-10-26_07.jpg

 

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On 24/09/2020 at 22:40, Blimpyboy said:

Modeller's for modeller's! In fact, this is this set:

On 24/09/2020 at 21:58, Aardvark said:

The link is the history of the creation of the set, and the author of the set had been making his Tu-16 for three years!  In the process, I made a set for myself, which I then decided to replicate for other modelers!

On 24/09/2020 at 22:40, Blimpyboy said:

alternate weapon loads (missiles are so passé), some of which can be found in Aardvark's list of links:

Bomb's? Who say: "Bombs?" 

Are they bombs?  Here are the bombs!

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Tu-16 with loaded SNAB-3000"Krab"

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https://strangernn.livejournal.com/1549619.html

 

Also was 

Guided bomb "Tchaika", "Condor" &

UBV-5.

Little series was only "Tchaika" other was experimental, but all testing on Tu-16.

 

https://modelist-konstruktor.com/aviacziya/nochnaya-oxota-kraba

 

http://www.k2x2.info/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_1996_02_tehnika_i_oruzhie_1996_01/p6.php

 

http://www.dogswar.ru/boepripasy/snariady-rakety/4999-ypravliaemaia-aviabo.html

 

First generation Soviet Guided bomb with radio, IR and TV

guidance.

 

😁😁

B.R.

Serge

 

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So...by extension, does the H-6 (Tu-16K-26 Badger G) have the same accuracy/fit issues?  Inquiring minds want to know! (Or is it just he voices in my head?).

 

WARDOG

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Hi Wardog!

 

Basically yes and it introduces some new ones too. The whole front fuselage is a big mess, the front glazing is much too big in all dimensions (and I'm not talking about 1 or 2mm) which is a result of the front fuselage being too big in width and height aft of the cockpit. The cockpit glazing has the same problems as on the K-10, it seems to be caused by the whole fuselage in this area sitting too high.

 

Other errors I've seen not mentioned yet but are common for all Tu-16s from Trumpeter:

  • The observation dome right behind the cockpit glazing should be oval shaped, not round
  • Cutout for upper fuselage turret is shaped incorrectly
  • The chord of the main wing is much too big acc. to plans and pictures. I ended up removing a few mm in chord (can't remember the exact value), joining the 2 winghalves again afterwards.
  • The horizontal stabilizer is too big in chord too but only at its root. I removed a V-shaped wedge and glued it together again.
  • The tail turret is off, I think it is a bit too high, throwing out the proportions of the glazing. If you shorten the turret you have to make a new glazing for the rear gunner.
  • The side blisters below the horizontal stabilizers are too big in height due to incorrect cross section (half circle).

Please note that all these points are out of my head as the kit and all references and plans are stored somewhere deep in my stash and I last worked on it 3 years ago. I used these scale plans (http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw2/tu16mk.html) and a lot of pics from publications and the net to doublecheck, which reveal that the kit needs a lot of love if you really want it to be accurate. Another pity is that there seem to be almost no interior pictures (cockpit, rear gunner, ...) available which makes detailing these areas difficult.

 

Cheers

Markus

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4 hours ago, Shorty84 said:

no interior pictures (cockpit, rear gunner, ...) available which makes detailing these areas difficult

All have on this link:

On 9/24/2020 at 11:58 PM, Aardvark said:

The most complete collection of information about the Tu-16, which is on the Internet:

http://www.tu16-badger.com/420943400

if something is not there, then on the website the link has a feedback from the author, who is an active pilot of civil aviation and understands English.  You will not find more information on the Internet anywhere at the moment.

 

B.R.

Serge

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It's a never ending circle:

 

- Get interested in a kit in your stash

- Inquiring about it in a modelling forum

- Get answers to questions you've never asked

- Put the kit aside and look for something different

- Inquiring about it in a modelling forum

- ...

 

Really, don't be discouraged to build your Badger. It will look great, regardless if you decide to correct it or not. Sometimes we get so worked up regarding the accuracy of kits that this prevent us from building them at all (ask me how I know :unsure:). Sorry to add to that...

 

Cheers

Markus

 

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3 minutes ago, Shorty84 said:

It's a never ending circle:

 

- Get interested in a kit in your stash

- Inquiring about it in a modelling forum

- Get answers to questions you've never asked

- Put the kit aside and look for something different

- Inquiring about it in a modelling forum

- ...

Therefore, best models, it's little known aircraft for which there is practically nothing!  😉😎

But according to the law of meanness, when you finish the model of this plane, complete and exhaustive information that you were missing is sure to appear!

😁

B.R.

Serge

 

P.S.

In any case Tu-16 from Trumpeter more look as Tu-16 than B-52 or F-35!

😁

Also was 1/72 Tu-16 short-run from Red Wings:

http://lonestars.web.fc2.com/INBOX/Tu-16K.htm

 

 

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Thanks for the info, Gents.

 

I'll just plow away at it since it "looks" like an H-6!  Will do a little interior work and maybe try my hand at making some resin up-dates for the turret areas for a later "Silkworm"  missile carrier.

 

And now, it gets moved further back in the build schedule!

 

Cheers All,

 

WARDOG

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From CIA archive's:

1.Aircraft Tu-16. Maintenance instructions. Book 3. Bombing equipment.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp80t00246a071000190001-2


Tu-16 aircraft. Service manual. Book 1.
Tu-16 aircraft. Technical description. Book 2. Bombing equipment.
Fuel consumption control units and Tu-16 aircraft engine instruments.
Tu-16 aircraft. Aircraft service manual. Book 2.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp80t00246a070800100001-4


https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp78-03066r000300070001-0

Tu-16 aircraft. Technical description. Book 4. Part 1
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp78-03066r000300050001-2

 

B.R.

Serge
 

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