Aardvark Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, WhirlybirdModels said: Nope. Whirlybird are still Whirlybird. Pegasus are part of our good friends at Freightdog. I am really sorry! Confused! B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifer54 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I am shocked that we've got to six pages in and on-one has yet mentioned this paragon of plainness, the PZL "Belphegor": 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Six pages and no mention of the Wyvern? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephLalor Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Fifer54 said: I am shocked that we've got to six pages in and on-one has yet mentioned this paragon of plainness, the PZL "Belphegor": I'd forgotten about the Belphegor. I think it's still the only jet-powered biplane/sesquiplane ever built. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Fifer54 said: I am shocked that we've got to six pages in and on-one has yet mentioned this paragon of plainness, the PZL "Belphegor": That ain't ugly. Its got interest and character and I want a model of it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddyf Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 There is a subtle difference between ‘interesting’ (see Belphegor above) and ‘flying garden shed made from random windows from the tip’ (see Amiot 143). I don’t think the French built ugly aircraft, just the case that some were really coming off the drawing board at least 10-20 years after everyone else. Look at the Bristol Braemar (1918) or its civil version the Bristol Pullman. Chop of two sets of wings and...... the similarities are there. Flying train carriage.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Fifer54 said: I am shocked that we've got to six pages in and on-one has yet mentioned this paragon of plainness, the PZL "Belphegor": 2 hours ago, JosephLalor said: I'd forgotten about the Belphegor. I think it's still the only jet-powered biplane/sesquiplane ever built. Mention of this aircraft is banned by the World League of Insect Pests, due to the fact that this aircraft is a weapon of mass lethal psychological destruction for them, as they say: "Better toxic pesticides than seeing this!" Therefore, immediately correct your messages, otherwise the BM will be imposed an insane fine and accusations of genocide Insect Pests! 😁 1 hour ago, Black Knight said: That ain't ugly. Its got interest and character and I want a model of it! Do you understand what will be done to You when Insect Pests are the majority in the government and the UN? 😉😁 45 minutes ago, Muddyf said: Look at the Bristol Braemar (1918) or its civil version the Bristol Pullman. Chop of two sets of wings and...... the similarities are there. Flying train carriage.. Common! "You don't understand, this is different!" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_don't_understand,_this_is_different! ...as and this too... 😁 By the way, competitor Mirage ...and first Mirage: B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalea Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 A plain plane, Fifer 54? Anyway, ugly name. Look it up. How did the Commies think they could get away with it in Catholic Poland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, dalea said: Anyway, ugly name. Look it up. How did the Commies think they could get away with it in Catholic Poland? "From the Polish test pilot Andrzej Ablamovich at the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget in 1976 for his very strange appearance and the howl of a jet engine he received the unofficial nickname "Belphegor" after the demon Belphegor." Thus, this is an unofficial name, in fact a nickname, as B-26 - "widowmaker", etc. B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigster Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 It is slowly drifting from FRENCH planes, to anything strange looking (at least for us). The train carriage look in those planes is very obvious, but the flyers in there were all officers & gentleman. With a tea & biscuit served in third and a half hour of the flight by the on board radio operator. As for agriculture A/C, they all look rather strange for fighter/bomber building guys, but they are very purposeful! Belphegor -that was just a test bed. If you feel like dig around, there was an earlier version, with AN-2, as a starter base, that's for hardcores. Life's 2 short. Zig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, zigster said: Belphegor -that was just a test bed. If you feel like dig around, there was an earlier version, with AN-2, as a starter base, that's for hardcores. LaLa Land -1😁 Joke, just LaLa-1, yes Poles could in a ugly! 😁 But An-2 was a wide field for experiments, sometimes turning this reliable and simple aircraft into something monstrous: moreover, the original, pre-war project was not very beautiful: http://alternathistory.com/files/users/user1088/i_012.jpg There is an assumption that he could be based on the Bendukovich aircraft, made in auto repair shops and even managed to take part in the Soviet-Finnish war: However, do not worry with the development of the An-2, everything is fine thanks to new technologies and aerodynamics: B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Aardvark said: Oooooooh... Beige/brown. How very 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/17/2020 at 7:49 AM, Roger Holden said: Hardly. In the civil field, Airbus UK designs and builds the wings for all Airbuses, far from 'merely subcontractors'........ Which is owned by Airbus. And what was the last British designed aircraft - The Hawk perhaps? And are there any British designed airliners still in service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigster Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 That turboprop blue/white AN2 looks good! Z 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, leyreynolds said: Which is owned by Airbus. And what was the last British designed aircraft - The Hawk perhaps? And are there any British designed airliners still in service? Depends what you mean by "British designed" very, very, very few aircraft are solely designed and manufactured in a single state, sub-contracting means aircraft are designed all over the place. That said, the Lynx was primarily a UK design (with a lot of input from Aerospatiale) and the AW159 was designed in the UK (with the sub-contracting caveats), the AW101 is designed in the UK. The Hawk was primarily designed in the UK. To answer your second question, the Avro/BAe 146 was the last airliner primarily designed in the UK and it's still in service (it performs a niche role very well - what most British designs do). I'm not sure who has the Design Authority for the BAe 146 now. Possibly Airbus, following BAE SYSTEMS sale of it's civil aerospace division. On another note, brown velvet carpet in the Turbo An2 cockpit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 15 hours ago, alt-92 said: Oooooooh... Beige/brown. How very 1970s. 1 hour ago, wellsprop said: On another note, brown velvet carpet in the Turbo An2 cockpit.... You don't understand anything in Bamboleo: and Emir Kusturica Gypsy style! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica 😁😁 It's last the most fashionable trend in design cockpit! 😊😁 There should also be coins around the edges and metal curtains! 😁😁 B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 hours ago, wellsprop said: I'm not sure who has the Design Authority for the BAe 146 now. Possibly Airbus, following BAE SYSTEMS sale of it's civil aerospace division. BAES still has responsibility for the 146/RJ and ATP. The Regional Aircraft division was wound up, not sold. It's stake in Airbus was sold to EADS and renamed Airbus UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 19 hours ago, leyreynolds said: Which is owned by Airbus. And what was the last British designed aircraft - The Hawk perhaps? And are there any British designed airliners still in service? Last wholly-British designed military aircraft were EAP (1985) and Taranis (2013). Both technology demonstrators for future collaborative programmes. No country outside US/China/Russia can now afford to develop military aircraft on its own. To its credit in 2018, the UK government commited itself to supporting an indigenous military aircraft design capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 For all the discussion here, I'm surprised there's been no mention of the NC.2501: And it's British counterpart, the, um, beautiful Gallipoli... 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roginoz Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Now THERE'S a couple of potential "what-ifs" crying out to be ........errr......scratch built !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 The Grumman XF5F Skyrocket! In its defense, it was very fast, had a phenomenal climb rate, and excellent visibility. It brought this cartoon to life. Clearly though, Northrup and Granville Brothers were far more literal in their realizations. Minicraft's 1/48 kit is actually quite nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 4:36 AM, leyreynolds said: Which is owned by Airbus. And what was the last British designed aircraft - The Hawk perhaps? And are there any British designed airliners still in service? HS/BAe 146 and some HP/SA/BAe Jetstream 31s, 41s and BAe/Avro/HS748s and (maybe) Jetstream 61s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 "Belphegor" was nick name for PZL M-15 not due to her ugly look (or not only) but due to sinister purpose which was discovered (guess?) by western experts as machine for chemical war, since nobody believed that agriculture needs a jet machine, even under communist power... Six pages and nobody noticed ugly canopies on fronts of Ju-88A/D, Do 17 Z, Ju 86 P/R, FW-189 etc. ? Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 2:36 AM, dnl42 said: The Grumman XF5F Skyrocket! Very much off topic - I built one of these in a whiff scheme, as an aircraft of the San Theodoros Air Force (Tintin fans will get it...)! I really enjoyed building it, it’s a bit of a gem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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