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Aerolineas Argentinas Comet 4s saw a considerable number of variations in their colour schemes. Photos are few, far between, and of crap quality. Some a/c seem only to have a single photo online -- period! Sources are scanty and iffy... All in all, I need help! My research shows this:

 

Comet 4   LV-PLM/-AHN   "Las Tres Marias"   Jan 1959 to retirement 1971    
1st colours: style 1 (thick/thin, tall) titles, plain pinion tanks;
2nd colours: as above plus style 3 (ultimate) titles;
3rd colours (1964 onwards?): as above plus logo on fin, fuselage registration in cheatline

 

Comet 4   LV-PLO/-AHO   "Cruz del Sur, Lucero de la Tarde," then just "Lucero de la Tarde" (thank you!)   Feb 1959 to crash Feb 1960
1st colours: style 2 (bold, tight-set) titles;
2nd colours: as above plus style 3 titles, titles on pinion tanks;
3rd colours: as above plus painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-PLP/-AHP   "El Lucero del Alba"   Mar 1959 to crash Aug 1959
only colours: style 3 titles, titles on pinion tanks, "de Havilland Comet 4/Rolls-Royce Avon Turbojets" credit panel over cheatline aft of port door

 

Comet 4   LV-POV/-AHR   "Alborado," also "Arco Iris" (thank you!)   Feb 1960 to crash Dec 1961    
only colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-POZ/-AHS   "Las Tres Marias," then "Alborada" (thank you!)   Feb 1960 to retirement 1971    
only colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-PPA/-AHU   "Centaurus"   Jul 1960 to retirement 1971
1st colour: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks;
2nd colour (1964 onwards?): as above plus logo on fin, fuselage registration in cheatline

 

Comet 4C   LV-PTS/-AIB   "President Kennedy"   April 1962 to retirement 1971    
1st colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks;
2nd colours: as above plus fuselage registration in cheatline
3rd colours (1964 onwards?: as above plus logo on fin

 

My questions are:

 

1. Was LV-AHO really called "Lucero de la Tarde" rather than "El Lucero de la Tarde" (also, which words really had initial capitals)? No "El" and only nouns initial-capitalised, thank you!

 

2. Did other Comets also have credit panels ("De Havilland Comet 4/Rolls-Royce Avon Turbojets") over the cheatline, aft of the portside door? Al least AHN and AHO did, thank you!

 

3. Was LV-AHR really called "Alborado", rather than "Alborada"? Alborada it was, thank you!

 

4. Was the oddball LV-AIB (a Comet 4C, not a 4, and a "white-tail" bought much later than other fleet members) really called "President Kennedy", rather than "El Presidente Kennedy"? Was this ship named thus after JFK's November 1963 assassination? if so, what (if anything) was it called over its 18 months of service before Nov 1963? Appears to have been "President Kennedy" in English, not Spanish, from the start, reflecting a major visit by JFK to Argentina in 1961, thank you!

 

5. Did LV-AHS also get the post-1964 changes of fuselage registration in the cheatline and logo on the fin? It did, thank you!


6. Were LV-AHN and LV-AHS really both called "Las Tres Marias", or is this a mistake? They both were, thank you!

 

Sorry this is so arcane and age-old, and many thanks in advance!

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Hello skippiebg

Here is what I found in a book The first jet airliner - the story of the de Havilland Comet (ScoWal, 2000) by Timothy Walker:

1. Walker states rather enigmatticly that upon delivery "The aircraft was re-registered LV-AHO and named Cruz del Sur, Lucero de la Tarde and later named Lucero de la Tarde." No idea about capital letters.

2. The photo in the same book shows LV-PLM during her first flight on 27th January 1959. While a bit faint due to sun reflection, credit panel is visible aft of the port passengers' door.

4. About LV-AIB: ˇAerolineas Argentinas acquired a seventh Comet on 27th April 1962 ... On delivery it was re-registered LV-AIB and named President Kennedy."

6. Yes, apparently both LV-AHN and LV-AHS had been christened Las Tres Marias, although the latter was later re-named Alborada.

Not much, but I hope it helps. Cheers

Jure

P.S.: By the way, can anybody advice me on Mach 2 Comet 4C kit? I have a Caravelle kit of that manufacturer so is the Comet kit worse/about equal/better?

 

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Jure, kolega, najlepša hvala (huge thanks) for this excellent information which I did not have!

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I have both the Mach 2 Caravelle and Comet 4C kits.

 

The Comet appears to be based on the Airfix Nimrod. This means the engine intakes and the entire forward halves of the engine tracts are very much deeper than they should be (the Comet had thin and spindly Avon turbojets. The Nimrod had much fatter Spey turbofans.) Other than the wrong engine housings, the kit has inherited all Airfix's Nimrod faults, which are niggling, but not too offputting, to me at least. Among them is an indifferent nose shape, an indifferent fin shape, indifferently shaped wing pinion tanks, and the general feeling of a so-so kit. The really crooked cabin windows are a purely Mach 2 addition. In summary, using the Mach 2 kit to make a faithful model of the Comet 4C wouild call for a brave and complex refashioning of the lower centre section of the wing. This might, or might not, be your thing... Oh, and the Dan-Air decals my version has are wrong both typographically and geometrically, as well as being extremely crude.

 

To answer your question, I would say that, despite its much greater age, the Mach 2 Caravelle is an altogether nicer and more straightforward kit than the Comet.

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Among Comet kits, the King-and-Sire has to be the FROG 1/96 kit of the Comet 4, much more widely available under the Soviet Novo late 1970s brand. It is chunky and sound in all general and quite a few particular aspects, and offers a superb basis for superdetailing or improvements. Best of all, it remains fairly widely available at very reasonable prices. The decals, either FROG or Novo, are unusable, but that is a small inconvenience easily forgotten while the rest of the kit fills you with a deep and therapeutic sense of satisfaction and gratitude :)

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Hello skippiebg

Няма защо (you are welcome). While this is probably old news for you, here is a short documentary clip of the ceremonial baptising of the first Aerolineas Argentinas Comet 4, with the title Las Tres Marias visible at about 29th second. Of course, the time stamp covers the second word. Still, to me it looks like all three words start with a capital letters.

Thank you for your Mach 2 Comet 4C review. Now I am balancing on the fence: I have done my share of conversions and scratchbuilds so I would not mind investing some of my time into correcting the kit's faults. However, if there is a better kit available, I would prefer a more accurate starting point. The model would be conversion anyway as I built Plastikard Comet 4 forty or so years ago and got hooked on a BOAC livery. According to Scalemates both Welsh Models and Transport Wings produced multimedia (but mainly vacuform) Comet 4 kits in 1/72, so perhaps I will obtain of those kits, if I can find one. Cheers

Jure

 

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Wow, never knew of that clip. Thanks!.

 

The Transport Wings Comet, hmm-m... I had one 20-odd years ago and sold it unbuilt. As I remember, plenty more problems than the Mach 2. Never seen the Welsh Comet 4s.

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Thank you, skippiebg, I will pass Transport Wing Comet kit then. So perhaps it is going to be Mach 2 Comet 4C after all.

Good luck with your Aerolineas Argentinas Comet 4 project. Cheers

Jure

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Bet this is a hole in most people's archives

Can't really help you on the colour schemes with any real accuracy  .

 

According to Ian Allan's World Airliner Registrations 1967 ish ,68 ish and 74 issues

 

Lucero de la Tarde was the name ( El missing) Lucero of the Afternoon . de la is USUALLY  in lower case

 

I have a photo of AHS at Lasham ,Dan-Air bought just about all the Comets that were left and either broke them for spares or re registered them and back in to service

LV-AHS is listed as Alborada and not LV- AHR which is listed with the name Arco Iris .

The LV-AIB President Kennedy , that entry doesn't mention any name but maybe left out to save space .

If you pm your email , I'll send you a copy of LV-AHS , also have an AA issued Comet postcard ,1st day cover of the 1st Comet service Buenos Aires to New York ( Idlewild ) Just found 2 more postcards , LV-PPA and - AHS no dates of the shots though .

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Many thanks to Jure Miljević and Bzn20 for some fascinating input! AA seems to have had a fairly ecclectic attitude to naming aircraft (and indeed painting them in a uniform manner). Lovely colour, though, and once I have decided on one of the many schemes the few AA Comets wore, I shall design and print my own decals and go at it :)

 

Incidentally, it took me ages to work out what the writing on the AA Comet fins said. It is "DE HAVILLAND/COMET-4 (or COMET-4C, and yes, with a hyphen)/TURBINAS/ROLLS-ROYCE AVON". This, plus a 'credits panel' in English on some early a/c... Typographically, things were also quite haphazard. Wonderful :)

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Hi skippiebg I have all 4 1/72 scale kits of the Comet 4 /4C and in (my) opinion the Welsh multi media kit is far and away the most accurate , I worked on the Comet for Dan-Air  for 15 years, so I think I know the aircraft reasonably well,

Some info about the AA comet 4 that you will not find in any book, at least I have not seen it in any, is that the windscreen panels on the AA aircraft, and as far as only AA were not flat but curved to conform to the nose profile.

      

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Proplineruk, thank you for the tip re. the Welsh Models Comets! (Now, if only they didn't cost well over a ton..! And, having said that, where would I shoehorn one of them without the missus raising hell..?)

 

Fascinating, that about the AA Comet 4s, thank you! I had always assumed only the 1/1A and 2 had the curved windscreen panels. The Comet had quite a few winsdcreen layouts, mostly subtle changes here and there. I know for sure the front four panes on the 4B and 4C were taller. (Still not very clear on whether the Nimrod didn't end up having even taller windscreen panes all around...)

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Hello

Very late to the party, and perhaps risking redundancies.

Here is an image

Aerolineas+Comet+4+836143097+cropped+1.j

 

From here:

http://argentina-airline-news.blogspot.com/2018/03/historical-photo-aerolineas-argentinas.html

 

Another source (again, sorry is this has been shown or discussed or you already know of it):

https://loudandclearisnotenought.blogspot.com/search?q=Comet+IV

 

I was born in Argentina, although my modeling interests are completely different (early aviation and Golden Age) and have no knowledge on the type whatsoever.

 

Hope this helps

Cheers

 

https://www.clarin.com/ciudades/comet-iv-alto-cielo-argentino_0_EJRhQpUVZ.html

 

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Moa, your modelling is an inspiration that leaps across periods and subject matter and I am happy to have attracted your interest! Thank you for your contributions!

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1 hour ago, roginoz said:

@Moa, suggest you replace the second photo with a link.

 

Airliners.net get very upset with copyright issues, like VERY UPSET !

 

Rog

Thanks Rog

i usually do, this one slipped, I got sloppy. Appreciate the heads up. Image removed.

 

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5 hours ago, Julien said:

Thanks, they are very protective.

 

 

I know, Julien, my bad.

The reminder is appreciated, and helps to refresh the matter.

Will most certainly keep in mind.

Cheers

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Through a Facebook group, friend Esteban Bodzak gives me this information on the Comets:

 

Comet 4   LV-AHN   "Las Tres Marias"   Jan 1959 to retirement 1971    
1st colours: style 1 (thick/thin, tall) titles, plain pinion tanks -- this was a montage and the typography was wrong, so ignore;
2nd colours: as above plus style 3 (ultimate) titles;
3rd colours (1964 onwards?): as above plus logo on fin, fuselage registration in cheatline

 

Comet 4   LV-AHO   "Cruz del Sur"    Feb 1959 to crash Feb 1960
1st colours: style 2 (bold, tight-set) titles;
2nd colours: as above plus style 3 titles, titles on pinion tanks;
3rd colours: as above plus painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-AHP   "El Lucero del Alba"   Mar 1959 to crash Aug 1959
only colours: style 3 titles, titles on pinion tanks, "de Havilland Comet 4/Rolls-Royce Avon Turbojets" credit panel over cheatline aft of port door

 

Comet 4   LV-AHR   "Alborado," later "Arco Iris"  Feb 1960 to crash Dec 1961    
only colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-AHS   "El Lucero de la Tarde"    Feb 1960 to retirement 1971    
only colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks

 

Comet 4   LV-PPA/-AHU   "Centaurus"   Jul 1960 to retirement 1971
1st colour: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks;
2nd colour (1964 onwards?): as above plus logo on fin, fuselage registration in cheatline

 

Comet 4C   LV-PTS/-AIB   "Presidente Kennedy"   April 1962 to retirement 1971    
1st colours: style 3 titles, painted pinion tanks;
2nd colours: as above plus fuselage registration in cheatline
3rd colours (1964 onwards?: as above plus logo on fin

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