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Is anyone interested in German Radar during WW2?

I know it's off the beaten track, but it does attach itself heavily to the Luftwaffe.

I read a book recently by RV Jones called Most Secret War, an excellent history of British Scientific Intelligence before and during WW2. RV Jones was the head of the department. The story it tells is mostly obscured by other more popular interests on WW2, the fact it was top secret during the war and for many years after has been shrouded in mystery, even so Jones and his team fought and won the war against German Scientific technology. How he achieved this with his incredible team is the stuff of  Len Deighton and Sherlock Holmes. I can't begin to stress how Jones saved the British in so many ways from behind the thick veil of secrets.

In this book it goes into great depths about German Radar and transmitter, the first one we encounter is Kniekbein ( or crooked leg) I've looked at pictures and plans of the original aerial transmitter on it's turntable, it looks like it wouldn't be too hard to build in 1/72 scale. There's a whole collection of the aerials some and some incredible structures like Mammut, Wassermann which were truly gigantic aerials.

I would imagine one of the aerials as part of a diorama would be quite interesting. 
kneikbein we're positioned near airfields and their turntable rails still exist as aerial photos have shown.

There isn't too much out there on German Radar I've found in my research sadly.

anyone out there interested ?

 

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Hiya!

 

Aah, a topic very close to my heart (SEAD’s my thing)!

There’s quite a bit of info out there, plus some really nice kits.

 

FYI, if not already seen:

http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/german-radar-of-wwii.html

and

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/the-bruneval-raid-german-radar.html


 

 

german-radar-of-ww2.jpg

 

And for your tactical diorama needs:

https://www.das-werk-models.com/products/fmg-39-fuse-62-d-würzburg/

 

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There were some very able people in the UK working on defending the UK from the Air in the 30’s

 

The creation of the Chain Home Network using off the shelf components where possible that allowed it to be ready in time, the setting up of shadow factories, the RAFVR training large numbers of NCO pilots demonstrate a seriousness and application that is too often obscured.

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I remember seeing on one of those "strange and odd things" kind of television shows about an enormous radar antenna that the Soviets built in the eastern part of Russia, facing West. It looks very similar to the "hoarding radar" shown in one of Blimpyboy's posts above, but much bigger. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, work on it ceased and now it sits derelict and abandoned.

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17 minutes ago, Rolls-Royce said:

I remember seeing on one of those "strange and odd things" kind of television shows about an enormous radar antenna that the Soviets built in the eastern part of Russia, facing West. It looks very similar to the "hoarding radar" shown in one of Blimpyboy's posts above, but much bigger. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, work on it ceased and now it sits derelict and abandoned.

The Soviets had a radar system that was called "Iron Fence" here in Finland. It was a low frequency, high power, "beyond the horizon" strategic early warning system that was easily recognizable from it's low, humming noise.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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5 hours ago, alt-92 said:

The Duga OTH arrays, near Chernobyl I'd guess.

I would say that the one I have in my mind was located further east. But after 30 years I can't be sure. The radar transmitted only now and then and it meant that all kind of activity was taking place beyond the Iron Curtain.

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Well, the 50MW Cobra Mist installation at Orford Ness was projected and able to reach as far as Belarus and beyond. 

 

A Duga or similar was also located on the Eastern Siberia side to cover the Pacific area.

Early Warning, you want to be able to look as far as 2000+ NM out. Pick an interesting spot where you want to detect stuff, then draw a wide arc in that range.

You might even try triangulating between different theatres (NW Europe, Med) to determine a good search aerea :)

 

 

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6 hours ago, alt-92 said:

The Duga OTH arrays, near Chernobyl I'd guess.

I do believe you and Antti_K are both right. I had seen the HBO series on Chernobyl before I saw the program in question, so its reference to Chernobyl caught my attention. And I do remember that it was described as an over-the-horizon radar.

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Some photos I took at Ilmatorjuntamuseo, Hyrylä showing a Wurzburg Riese (or Irja, as it was called in Finland).

 

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We also had "Freya" radars, but I think that  there isn't a single one remaining here in Finland. After the war the Soviets took all  (well almost) German originated radar equipment away.

Enjoy the pictures.

 

Cheers,

Antti

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On 8/30/2020 at 7:42 AM, kolibri282 said:

Hi,

Is anyone interested in German Radar during WW2?

I know it's off the beaten track, but it does attach itself heavily to the Luftwaffe.

I read a book recently by RV Jones called Most Secret War, an excellent history of British Scientific Intelligence before and during WW2. RV Jones was the head of the department. The story it tells is mostly obscured by other more popular interests on WW2, the fact it was top secret during the war and for many years after has been shrouded in mystery, even so Jones and his team fought and won the war against German Scientific technology. How he achieved this with his incredible team is the stuff of  Len Deighton and Sherlock Holmes. I can't begin to stress how Jones saved the British in so many ways from behind the thick veil of secrets.

In this book it goes into great depths about German Radar and transmitter, the first one we encounter is Kniekbein ( or crooked leg) I've looked at pictures and plans of the original aerial transmitter on it's turntable, it looks like it wouldn't be too hard to build in 1/72 scale. There's a whole collection of the aerials some and some incredible structures like Mammut, Wassermann which were truly gigantic aerials.

I would imagine one of the aerials as part of a diorama would be quite interesting. 
kneikbein we're positioned near airfields and their turntable rails still exist as aerial photos have shown.

There isn't too much out there on German Radar I've found in my research sadly.

anyone out there interested ?

 

I had the paperback of that book once. Its a side interest of mine too along with Flak gunnery etc. I have a book here (ex library disposal job I spotted at a sale!) called 'Confound and Destroy' by Martin Streetly which deals mainly with the radar war in the air and RAF 100 Group. A useful companion to the RV Jones book and others.

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Sir,during the late 1970's,the BBC aired a very good series entitled "The Secret War" covering most of the aspects

of the developments of various devices by both sides in the European Theatre.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_War_(TV_series)

 

One would imagine that it can be found on some of the upload sites such as YouTube.

 

David.

 

 

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