dogsbody Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Moa said: I will have to apply a strip of alu foil to the LE area to hide the uneven seam. Well, sheet! A little something for you, Moa. A 1/72 injection-moulded Elsan chemical toilet. It's from Airfix, from one of their early 1940's aircraft. Chris 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, dogsbody said: Well, sheet! 40 minutes ago, dogsbody said: A little something for you, Moa. A 1/72 injection-moulded Elsan chemical toilet. It's from Airfix, from one of their early 1940's aircraft. Awwwwww 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, Moa said: It works. It's not perfect, and abler hands may obtain a better result, but I think it's worth trying. I am using thick cyano glue as stated above to give some prodding time (not much, I am afraid) and provide some support so the foil does not crumple if unduly pressed, but perhaps other adhesives would be better, as they may allow for edge trimming and removal if things don't go well (this is not removable at all, even with superglue "debonder", it just makes a darn mess) I should clarify that to no extent I have "invented" this approach, I have been seeing this kind of "patch" work in many places since I came back to the hobby about 15 years ago or so. I did not clean the leading seam before applying the patches, so I am in a pickle now. You can't mess in the area without risking damaging the foil. Oh, well... I will have to apply a strip of alu foil to the LE area to hide the uneven seam. Very, very nice. Now that I’ve seen it done (and, I do recall you reproducing corrugations for prior builds, but never on the leading edge), I wish I had tried your method on my tri-motor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 You know, "someone" should really make new resin cast leading edges for that kit, now that "someone" has created perfect masters! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Space Ranger said: You know, "someone" should really make new resin cast leading edges for that kit, now that "someone" has created perfect masters! Intriguing idea, but I suspect that getting the corrugations of the resin replacement to line up seamlessly with those on the wing would be nigh impossible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Space Ranger said: You know, "someone" should really make new resin cast leading edges for that kit, now that "someone" has created perfect masters! As Bill said. Not only that, I don't do resin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Moa said: As Bill said. Not only that, I don't do resin. Well, you can't blame me for tryin'! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Well, this is not easy, at all, and the results are ok, but not perfect. It's an ok job for the shelf, but very close inspection reveals little things here and there. I am satisfied enough to let it be, in spite of having two more wings I could have resorted to as back ups or second and third tries. I think this solution is adequate, though, for those liveries that have a painted (black or red) leading edge, as it will be the perfect separation line, effectively hiding the step. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Those look great from where I sit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Space Ranger said: Those look great from where I sit. Thanks Michael, you are very kind, but Texas is far away from California, and even with 20/20... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Moa said: Thanks Michael, you are very kind, but Texas is far away from California, and even with 20/20... That reminds me of this old “blond joke” Two blonds are sitting on their porch, looking at the moon. One asks, “What do you think is closer: Texas, or the moon?” The other says, “Well, duh! Can you see Texas from here?” (Sorry, but I grew up before the term “politically correct” was invented) 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Moa said: Thanks Michael, you are very kind, but Texas is far away from California, and even with 20/20... Well pardner, I'll have you know the screen of this here monitor of mine is custom ground to my perscription! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, billn53 said: That reminds me of this old “blond joke” Two blonds are sitting on their porch, looking at the moon. One asks, “What do you think is closer: Texas, or the moon?” The other says, “Well, duh! Can you see Texas from here?” Must not have been Texas blondes. Although some of them I have known started to feel insecure the minute they lost sight of Nieman Marcus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyJammedKenny! Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I think the leading edges look great! Standards, sshmandards.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalensis Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 That is some lovely foil work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Moa said: I am afraid that won't be enough... oh no crikey he's found me i even tried double tin foil helmets too!!! The foil work looks great to me too Moa. Great and innovative work. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Bengalensis said: That is some lovely foil work. Foiled again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 11 hours ago, Bengalensis said: That is some lovely foil work. Thanks Jörgen Now that I have done it I see some other ways to apply it that may be simpler, but it requires some experimentation, for another time. The principle is there, but can be refined no doubt. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Space Ranger said: Those look great from where I sit. Me, too! That's about as good a fix as you can get- well done, Claudio! I can't think of a way Airfix could have engineered the kit to get corrugations around the leading edges that would match the edges of the other wing panels. What @Moa has done certainly has improved the appearance of the wing corrugations, as well as the mail holds. I might try the leading edge fix when the time comes, as those smooth leading edges really stand out, but no open mail compartments for me! Mike 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, 72modeler said: Me, too! That's about as good a fix as you can get- well done, Claudio! I can't think of a way Airfix could have engineered the kit to get corrugations around the leading edges that would match the edges of the other wing panels. What @Moa has done certainly has improved the appearance of the wing corrugations, as well as the mail holds. I might try the leading edge fix when the time comes, as those smooth leading edges really stand out, but no open mail compartments for me! Mike Thanks Mike With more experimentation and in the hands of abler modelers the result could be really great. Revell had the corrugations in their F.13 al the way to the L.E. seam. Still needs a bit of cleaning, but it works quite well. The way the wing halves are molded, the corrugations could have reached the seam without undercuts and such, as Revell did. Still, I know nothing about plastic molding, mold making and such. But I am slowly becoming an expert in Martians. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray S Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 20 hours ago, billn53 said: Very, very nice. Now that I’ve seen it done (and, I do recall you reproducing corrugations for prior builds, but never on the leading edge), I wish I had tried your method on my tri-motor. Me too! Ray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ray S said: Me too! Ray 21 hours ago, billn53 said: I wish I had tried your method on my tri-motor. The perfect excuse to build another! But I must warn you: it's not easy, and there will be a lot of hit and misses! (actually a huge number of misses and one hit if you are lucky). A different, more permissive adhesive is a must. Something that allows relocation or peeling off is things fail. Gold leaf adhesive or something like that. Then you can apply, position, and trim and remove any edges that may not be properly aligned if needed. It could be a good idea to put some tape span-wise along the wing to delimit where all the individual panels should stop. But when common sense has stopped any modeler, uh? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) For the one I’ve corrugated build I’ve done, I used foil from a takeaway ( take out) container embossed and attached with double sided sticky tape, then once I was happy with the placement a dab of superglue at the panel edges to keep it stuck. I shan’t post an image because it wasn’t 1/72 or civil. Btw didn’t Junkers sue Ford for patent violations over the trimotor, can’t remember if the won or settled. Edited August 31, 2020 by Marklo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Moa said: The perfect excuse to build another! Well, I do have another Airfix 5-AT, and Monogram’s 4-AT, in my stash! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marklo said: Btw didn’t Junkers sue Ford for patent violations over the trimotor, can’t remember if the won or settled. Junkers successfully sued Ford for infringement of patent when the Trimotor was offered for sale in Europe. Ford mounted a counter-suit, in which it was defeated again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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