Mirage III-V First European Supersonic VTOL

[Aardvark]

Hi, all!

 

So, we have to start.  The prototype is considered the first European VTOL aircraft to exceed the speed of sound, although this is only mentioned in the French Wikipedia and Modelsvit instructions.

Photo box.

(Mirage III-V in central, don't mix it up! 😁 )

 

 

Photo spruce:

Little work with model:

Some home 😁 video from YouTube:

 

 

 

B.R.

Serge    

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Aardvark

[Filler]

I’m ashamed to say I knew nothing of this aircraft. It’s just so Dassault and a shame it never made it to service.

 

Looks a really nice kit too.

[Aardvark]

2 hours ago, Filler said:

I’m ashamed to say I knew nothing of this aircraft

No wonder, because in Great Britain the curse and magic spells 😁 of the ancient witches of the Sherwood Forest 😁 were put on the mention of this plane, because in fact this plane killed the real supersonic VTOL Harrier -  P.1154. 😣

2 hours ago, Filler said:

It’s just so Dassault and a shame it never made it to service.

Maximum VTOL load 1×907 kg A-bomb with 2×AIM-9 Sidewinder, in order to hypothetically raise this in the third unfinished prototype Mirage III V - 03, eight lifting engine had to be installed!  Of course, this is easier than fiddling with one  RR BS.100 engine for P.1154.

But yes Mirage III V more beauty than XVF-12A, P.1154 or Yak-141 from esthetic view.

 

At the same time, I can not find anywhere, did it exceed the speed of sound using the VTOL mode or just taking off like a normal plane without using VTOL?

 

2 hours ago, Filler said:

Looks a really nice kit too.

 In fact, a very boring model, with poor fit of many parts, which I also began to riveting ...further complicating the situation with the use of the riviter from Trumpeter.

 

B.R.

Serge

[Aardvark]

So, most part tedious and boring job of gluing eight

lift engine RB. 162-4D, finished. Photo will be latter. Every details every detail had to be processed, on

a second,  the engine bay of two lifting motors consists of six parts at the top and six parts at the bottom, for a total of twelve parts per engine bay not counting the doors (this is a separate, heartbreaking song!), i.e.  only forty-eight parts. Each part requires machining and positioning with a different part and the same work when assembling  to the fuselage.

Besides, I got the impression that in instructions the assembly bags of the upper parts are reversed because large gaps were formed if mounted as indicated in the instructions. When I changed the places of the upper parts of the cracks, I almost managed to avoid it, but the putty was still needed.

At the same time, why it was necessary to make the upper parts from four separate parts and the lower ones from two, when the upper parts could well be made from two parts and the lower parts generally made together with the lower part of the wing (fuselage) is an interesting question.....

 

An interesting discovery awaited me when I began to study the color of the engines in the instructions.

The instructions suggested painting the engine bay:

 

- side parts of the lift engine bay Humbrol 56 Aluminum;

-  lower part of the lift engine bay Humbrol 71 Oak;

- Blades lift engine (most interesting!!!) Humbrol 83 Ocre.

 

What a.....blades lift engine Ocre????

How is this possible?  The reality turned out to be even harsher!

Blades lift engine :

(Resources photo:

https://aviaforum.ru/threads/lopatki-kompressora-rb-162-4d.21900/ )

 

In reality it's really plastic!!!

 

Now we need to think about what colors to choose for coloring this plastic miracle in the Tamiya and GS palette ...

....and ofcource need maked photo and 

 upload a photo to a topic! 😁

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

[JOCKNEY]

Add my name to the list of people who hadn't heard of this aircraft, great to see it being built here 👍

 

cheers Pat 

[Aardvark]

On 8/24/2020 at 2:17 AM, JOCKNEY said:

Add my name to the list of people who hadn't heard of this aircraft

This is not surprising!  As ironically written here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dassault-mirage-iii-v-stol-derivatives-balzac-iiiv.10281/page-2

"Well, bombing the end of your own runway isn't so useful, especially with nukes."

😁

therefore everyone who could tell something about this plane chose to forget about it!

😁😁🤔

Moreover, it could only be supersonic if it took off like a normal plane; during vertical takeoff and landing, it just didn’t have enough fuel for supersonic.

 

So upgrade?

 

General view progress on today:

 

Main engine parts:
 General view:

Individual details:

Partial dry assembly:

 

Canopy:

 

The main color of the canopy  is black GS 12, a light overspray Tamiya XF-63 is applied over it, and a Tamiya black wash is applied.
 Wiring yellow Tamiya XF-3.
 Gray panels GS 338, white highlighting Humbrol 34.

View from the panel:

Despite the fact that the Modelsvit  instruction recommends painting everything black (also to me, pirates!? 😁), You see a light gray panel!

Why?

https://igor113.com/2013/10/08/музей-в-ле-бурже-ч-30-dassault-mirage-iiiv-французский-свв/amp/

 

this panel light grey!

View from the instrumental

panel:
(Is this some kind of psychedelic disco !!!! Barbra Streisand?

Boney-M? 😁😁)

 

 

Side view.  The decal tablet fell into the shadows:


Yellow wiring from Modelsvit
 removed and replaced with wire.  This is evidenced by these metal dots, which you will not see on the finished model because they are from the inside!


Side parts of the cockpit.
 Tamiya XF-63 is also applied on top of the black GS 12, Tamiya Black wash, white Humbrol 34 highlighting:


Nose wheel bay:


Eight lift engine without blade:
- top view:

- view on the putty (not to be confused with a party! 😁 ) :

- only one side of the side wall is sanding:

 seven more! 😭

Did I mention that eight lift engine  it is very boring and nauseous🤢?

Wing main wheel bay view: 

 View of the thinner walls of the main wheel bay... and view on the putty in the lift engine compartments from below:



Main wheel bay inside:

The reasons why the manufacturer's ejection seat ( not finished!) cannot be replaced by the aftermarket: 

the cockpit  is too narrow!

 

It's all on today.

 

B.R.

Serge

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by Aardvark

[exdraken]

8 lift engines!

Oh great..

 

Nice progress and project!

[Aardvark]

Return?

On 8/28/2020 at 3:50 PM, exdraken said:

8 lift engines!

Oh great..

Well this is just second place!  first place should be taken by Dornier Do-31

 with its TEN 😲😁 lifting engines!  Two were true for both ascent and for normal flight, but nevertheless!
Very interesting transport  in order to carry personnel from one end of the airfield to the other end!😁

 

But return to Mirage III-V?!
What is done?

Repaint cockpit interior. 😯

Was:

Now: 

For what?
For fixed mistake with interior colour cockpit:
- from black to light grey back part interior.
 - from yellow to white grey wireless.

Original:

Also white wireless have in this building:

http://maquette72.free.fr/amis/JMBocquard/2018_002_m3v01/index_ajmb002.php

Next stage maked railway for tram! 😉😲😁

Just for local made tram "I am Donetsk!" :

😁😁
🤔Did you know that the tram were running in a circle inside?😁😁😁

😁

O.K. it's not for a tram, it's for this little (or not?) details:

In reality this parts:

make for clearer positioning  and fixing nose wheel bay inside fuselage, making section for weight in nose and also imitate more greater depth of air intakes.

No, I'm not going to make a full length air intake together with the engine, but at least the hole must be closed!

Also, I do for myself in the future
best fuselage assembling....remember this:

photo?

The fuselage disintegrated without a clamp!
 Now:

everything is different!
....almost different ( look on engine part fuselage dry assembling without afterburner engine details!):

As you's can see, the assembling at Modelsvit is "amazing"!

But on the other hand, Modelsvit made completely unnecessary parts:

 for fixing the air intake inside!

Because as you's can see, the part that needs to be inserted inside:

cannot be inserted in any way without significant processing with a file and sandpaper!

But I think I know how to use it in the national economy!😉

In parallel, we are conducting research model paint equivalent:
 

 on this color for Mirage III - V !

Do not hesitate to express our assumptions and hypotheses!

It's all on today!

B.R.
Serge

 

[Aardvark]

Hi!

 

Return?
😁😁
WARNING!!!
This content for age +18!
 Contains hard scenes violence under part Modelsvit Mirage III V!
😁😁

In this short series, you will learn about bondage 😁 in modeling or BDSM modeling 😁 with GS glue, as well as how your room does not become a House of Flying Clamps😁 due to the "magnificent and unforgettable" 😣connectivity of Modelsvit.

To begin with, about what is wrong with the fit of parts.



Do you see how the upper wing part goes from above to the lower part
the front compartment of the lifting engine nozzles?



Due to this minor mistake made by the developer, the wing has an excessive height and does not allow the wing to assemble with the fuselage normally.

To correct this manufacturer error, simply make a rectangular cutout at the top of the wing.

On this photo we see how much you need to grind from the inside of the wing for normal fit:



But this is not the worst thing.  The worst is below.

😉😣

The combination of poor assembling, weakened by a large number of notches, combined with disgusting glue from the GS, simply leads to some kind of BDSM 😁 with bondage 😁and clamps:



And it was I, foreseeing all these problems, that I made internal reinforcing elements and guides, which if I had not made guides, it's hard to even imagine.
Of course, if I had not GS glue, but Tamiya's glue would be easier, then there would be fewer problems ... but I don't have Tamiya glue now and in the near future it is not expected ... although  can try to buy its components and mix  him yourself.....

 

...and about House of Flying Clamps....

 

A little hint!
So that your room does not turn into a "House of Flying Daggers",

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Flying_Daggers

 sorry "House of Flying Clamps",

😁😁😁

you just need to put sandpaper


under the clamps!

 

So, while I glue and putty the wing and wait for the fuselage to stick together, in which it looks like I need to make another reinforcing section inside fuselage so that it does not split back into parts when I rivet it.

....to be continued....

 

B.R.

Serge

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by Aardvark

[Col.]

You look to be making good progress with a rough kit of a clearly little known type. I must be old or a real 'plane geek as the Mirage III-V is a known type to me  

[Aardvark]

12 hours ago, Col. said:

You look to be making good progress with a rough kit of a clearly little known type. I must be old or a real 'plane geek as the Mirage III-V is a known type to me  

That's why I see there are no reactions in the topic .... people look and do not understand what it is? 😁 Is it a really Mirage? 😁 No, nonsense it can't be Mirage!! 😁

Everyone probably thinks that this is probably some kind of diesel-punk fantasy like Pobeda 357 Hawk from AMP:

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3196691673741880&id=1416295571781508

 

😉😁

No, it's hard reality French air industry!

😁😁
B.w., Mirage III V has already been done on the BM,
 

but unfortunately the photos are not available in the WIP topic:

Have I started making updates too often?

But return...

Let's free ourselves from chains, comrades!

In this connection (liberation Mirage from ropes and clamps 😁), you can put the song "I am free!"  the Kipelov group, which has become the anthem of husbands in the post-Soviet space who divorced their wives ... well, or quit their jobs, etc.

😁
...but now it looks like something, looks as Mirage!
😁
Pay attention to the difference in the diameter of the radome side and the nose part fuselage  at the assembling point:

In principle, the thickness of the radome at the place of assembly made it possible to grind it from the outside ... but I removed too much plastic from the inside ... now I have to glue it on cyanoacrylate glue ... or glue an additional frame from the inside...


But on the other hand, such a design of the nose allows you to fill the load on the assembled model like in a bottle thanks to the previously glued partition and close the lid on top:

....cracks, cracks, cracks...
..... for putty, putty, putty:

🤔

In general you need putty for this party!! 😁

Broken off part of the visor above the instrument panel  because the visor had to be made very thin, otherwise the thick visor simply will not allow you to put the cockpit inside the fuselage:

Not fatally...
Reassemble:

for riveting:

Yes, I started that...

 

Compared to a cheap (actually not!) Chinese counterfeit Mirage (actually not!):

 

....to be continued...

B.R.
Serge

Edited September 14, 2020 by Aardvark

[Booty003]

I don't envy you building this kit.  It was the most horrible thing that I have ever put together, a huge amount of work needed throughout the entire build.

 

My WIP thread went AWOL when the idiots at photobucket messed everything up all those years ago.

 

Good luck with the rest of the build buddy, keep a few cold beers to hand for when you need a break....!!!

 

Phil

[Aardvark]

 

2 hours ago, Booty003 said:

keep a few cold beers to hand for when you need a break....!!!

Thanks Phil!

 

Looks like I picked the wrong GB on BM to quit drinking cool beers! 

 

😉😁😁

 

So, on this day I loaded weight in to nose and glued nose cone radar.  Now it looks even more like a Mirage.😎  I also improved the assembling of the wing to the fuselage and the fin to the fuselage, now there are almost no gaps. Most interesting that a good assembling  of the fin with the fuselage .... the engine retainer pin interferes! For best assembling fin with fuselage, need maked rectangular cut in fin pin appropriate thickness engine retainer pin, and  then no  gaps in assembling!

Just as I expected, due to internal power stresses inside the fuselage weakened by the cutouts, the adhesive seam of one side of the top lift engine bay broke apart, and I also sanded this part! 

Most interestingly, the gap occurs when the fuselage is connected to the wing and disappears when the fuselage and wing are disconnected.....

 

 

But have good news canopy dry assembling with fuselage without gaps.

Photo? Maybe will be latter or maybe maybe not....

 

B.R.

Serge

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Aardvark

[Mr T]

This kit does looking to be putting up a fight Serge, but you are fighting back I see. I can remember all the fuss over the Mirage III-V versus the Harrier in the mid 1960's when I was just really getting interested in aircraft and modelling

Apparently BAC (British Aircraft Corporation) was trying to sell a Spey powered version of the fully developed aircraft to the RAF. Rolls-Royce was involved, presumably hoping that selling an aircraft with nine engines was good for business. 

Keep up the good work. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Mr T

[Aardvark]

On 9/16/2020 at 9:42 PM, Mr T said:

This kit does looking to be putting up a fight Serge, but you are fighting back I see.

Thank you very much for your memories and support!

🤝

To paraphrase the lines "Our proud Varyag does not surrender to the enemy!"  from the famous song about the Russian Imperial Navy Varyag Cruiser, whose crew chose to drown the ship but not surrender during the Russo-Japanese War of 1905:

"Our proud Aardvark does not surrender to the Modelsvit Mirage!"

 

Little upgrade.

 

 In general, it's more and more view as Mirage:

As you's see Mirage's proprietary air intakes now adhere to the model without any glue or adhesive tape!
All secret technology in detail F4,
which the Modelsvit proposed to glue inside the air intake:

but for this detail need to sharpen it very much! Why waste time and effort on processing a part designed to facilitate construction when you can do without it?  As I wrote earlier in this topic, this detail can be simply thrown out!
But you's can just stick it end-to-end, as I did:

and then it will become an extension of the air inside and a pin holding the air intake on the model without any glue, at the same time!

 

I almost polished the surface of the fuselage from soil and restored the lines of the panels as on the model

..... I did it in vain!

 

I marked with a red marker where it is necessary to transfer the panel lines:

based on the photo of the original:

 Modelsvit missed just a "little"!

😤
Still need to work with the lower part covered with putty:

To understand what I went through and what will be faced by those who want to repeat my path with this model when assembling the lift engine bay:

😭

Probably the main mistake 🤔😢 that can prevent this build from being completed in this GB on time is a mistake in choosing a riveter!
I have 3 riveter, 2 manufacture and 1 custom:

I chose the Riveter Trumpeter (it is also packed by Revell) because it has the largest riveting step:

But this is the most uncomfortable and idiotic reviter by design!  How do they work, I have no idea!

😤

I'm forget tell about literature.  Literature is bad.
Some little page with drawings in "Mirage's over France":

and some pages in "European VTOL aircraft"

For comparison size  "European VTOL aircraft" v.s. (A4 size) "Mirage's over France"

almost pulp fiction: 😁

😁

the main thing for them is not to read in certain places, otherwise there are all kinds of cases:

🤔

But drawings in other resource:

wrong in detail and contains many mistakes:

as examples  the bottom view does not contain images of the control motors in the nose, they are incorrect at the rear, there is no small grille (which made NH-detail in their photoetched for this model)   at the top ( in model also no maked!), incorrect mostly rivets line,
no big grey panel under nose:

drawing have details from Mirage III E from the bottom of the air intake which is not in Mirage III-V:

 e.t.c..

B.w. question about painting!
Modelsvit in assembling offers to paint the wings top and bottom in light gray Humbrol 147:

in the museum the wings are natural metal as you's see.....on historical photo...not understand....who to believe?

 

..to be continued...

 

B.R.

Serge

[Col.]

On 9/18/2020 at 9:22 PM, Aardvark said:

B.w. question about painting!
Modelsvit in assembling offers to paint the wings top and bottom in light gray Humbrol 147:
in the museum the wings are natural metal as you's see.....on historical photo...not understand....who to believe?

Given how many other errors the kit is replete with I'd say go natural metal as the museum example. Your model will, at least, be correct for the aircraft's current status.

[Aardvark]

On 9/20/2020 at 6:12 PM, Col. said:

Given how many other errors the kit is replete with I'd say go natural metal as the museum example

Thanks for the advice dear @Col. !

🤝

The instruction is already at variance in color with the museum example, indicating that the wheel disc

in the photo and the wheel legs  should be painted in Light gray Humbrol 147:

not very similar

(or similar?)🤔

, but we do not know how neat this Mirage is in the museum....

In addition, I would like to make a real and not a museum model this Mirage.

 

....so return to model....

 

To participate in a special Olympiad to discuss the design of the pre-Mirage era French aircraft,
😁😁

these rings:

were made!

😁😁😁
Of course not!

😉😁

This rings for RB-162  lift jet engine:

made for best future painting.

😎
Rescribe true panel line and hole
under the bars

And rivet, rivet and rivet again:

Riveting looks scary, but after priming it should be fine if I correct my possible mistakes at the priming stage.
🤔
The main intrigue is whether I will be able to make all the necessary riveting on the model by the end of September? 🤔 If yes, then the remaining time is enough, as I think, to meet the GB deadline.🤗

.....to be continued...

B.R.
Serge
 

[Aardvark]

Little midnight upgrade this topic.

 

As all know Mirage III V was very hot aircraft - 9 engine's this no joke, this very hot! 😉😁

Therefore, in order for the pilot not to sweat, the cockpit must have effective air exchange and heat removal. 

Modelsweet didn't take care of this at all in his model, unlike me:

( not  finished !)

😉😁😎

I described the technology how it's maked here:

but without a photo, now there is a photo for @CJP , whatever he thinks of me as a "modeller-theorist" 😁

...and not a " modeller- terrorist" either! 😁

Of course, it would be easier to use for the imitation of this vent 1/72 Mirage III V-01/V-02 Etching Parts from NH-detail:

( Resource photo- https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/m/image/10455240 )

but it is expensive, not justified in terms of the composition of the set and a long wait .....easier to do yourself, as for my! 😉😎

 

.....to be continued....

 

B.R.

Serge

 

[CliffB]

This is coming together very nicely Serge.  Hopefully on course for completion by the 18th