Werdna Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 There's a fair bit of info about on the above a/c - Ernst Schroder's Red 19, II/JG300 - including a great piece on the FalkeEins pages. However, I just wanted to check my understanding, so here goes.. Prior to repaint in Oct 44: Relatively standard 74/75/76 camo scheme (possibly with 75/82 on the wings?) with 'standard' mottling ('19' apparently painted over previous number) 'Kolle Alaaf' inscription on cockpit port side 'Edelgard' on cockpit starboard side Red 19 + horizontal bar After repaint in Oct/Nov 44: 74/75/76 camo scheme enhanced with 'string' mottling Exclamation mark added to 'Kolle Alaaf!' lettering Enhanced/fancy lettering on the 'E' of the 'Edelgard' inscription Horizontal bar replaced by 'red' RVD band Regarding the 'red' markings (ie 19 + bar/band) - I've seen these referred to as both 'red' and as 'red/brown', presumably the 'red brown primer' colour. Can anyone shed any light on which might be more accurate? Happy to have anything above corrected or clarified. Thanks to anyone that might be able to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.R.Morrison Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Uffz. Ernst Schröder of the 5./JG 300 had picked up WNr.172733 (“rote 19”) on 8.August 1944 and it was regularly flown by him until his belly-landing on 27.November 1944 at Köthen following combat with Mustangs [claimed by Major Niven K. Cranfill of the 359FG]. WNr.172733 was a ‘normal’ A-8, armed with 2x MG131s in the fuselage, and 4x MG151/20s in the wings. This particular aircraft did not have a ring antenna fitted beneath the fuselage, as it had been broken off by stone strike while taxiing. Its original factory delivery code had been DP+ZD. Schroeder also flew combat missions in rote 2, 8, 14, 15, 17, and 21 during this time, based at Holzkirchen (August), Erfurt-Bindesleben (September), Finsterwalde (end-Sept., early Oct.) and Löbnitz. Three days after damaging WNr.172733 Schröder was in “rote 11”, engaging bombers and escort fighters over Altenburg, and bailing out at 16:30 after engine failure… The sky was never still. A couple minor quibbles regarding Neil’s account of Schröder’s “first combat sortie.” This occurred on 6.August (not 8.). He mentions Schröder’s two 27.September claims, “These were his only Viermot victories. “ Besides the B-17 he had set on fire 6.Aug. 1944, SE of Berlin; on 22.August he shared a B-24 with Uffz. Dürr of the JG 302. [Source: Schröder Flugbuch] Good luck with your build, GRM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 The red on the fuselage band is a darker red than the "Red 19". So far no one knows for sure what the formula was. It could be RLM 45 Red Oxide primer or a unit mix. On the 25 or 26 of November the camouflage was altered along with the name Edelgard. Also the canopy was a late 8-190.122 style without the pulley system. Ernst complained about that, as since the aerial wire did not retract it was constantly slapping on the rear metal part of the canopy in the wind and scratching the paint off. In addition the new EZ 42 gun sight was installed. After Schröder's crash landing in "Red 19" it was repaired and was issued to I./JG 301 with the number , slogan and name over painted. Cheers, Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werdna Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 Thanks to both of you for your replies On 09/08/2020 at 06:57, Jerry Crandall said: On the 25 or 26 of November the camouflage was altered along with the name Edelgard. Jerry - is there any question that the revised (ie 'string type) mottling was only applied on the starboard side? I think I've seen some profiles of this a/c which suggest it was. Not sure how likely that would have been..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 The photo of Schröder standing on the the port wing of "Red 19" shows the inscription Kölle alaaf now with an exclamation point added possibly the same time the camouflage was altered on the starboard side and the red band was applied. It appears there is no change to the camo but the EZ 42 gun sight can be seen. Unfortunately, the photo does not show if the red band has been applied. So there is no easy answer. Cheers, Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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