lesthegringo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Guys, Zvezda is saying to paint the prop blades 'rust colour' Humbrol 113 on their rather excellent PE-2, however all the reference photos of aircraft in museums seem to depict black prop blades. Are Zvezda correct? Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I don't have a definite answer, but in my copy of Finnish Bomber Colors, 1939-45, by Kari Stenman and Karolina Holda, the six captured PE-2's the Finns bought from the Germans all had black prop blades with yellow tips. The aircraft were shipped to Finland and refurbished before being used; it is obvious the aircraft were all repainted in the standard green/black RLM65 camouflage, but I am unsure if the propellers were also repainted or were left in their original finish. In the book, all of the photos of the PE-2's used by the Finns had black prop blades with yellow tips. On the Soviet Warplanes webpage, there is an article by MassimoTessitori that describes early PE-2's as having unpainted props, but after 1941, they were to be painted matte black. Best I can do from my references. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmig Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 On page 48 of our book, "Colors of the Falcons", it states: “Metal propeller blades were originally finished on the rear face only, using gloss black oil enamel AE-11 or nitro enamel DM paint. The overall matt finishing of the blades was introduced only in 1941, using the paints A-26m or AMT‑6. In either case painting was preceded by applying an ALG-1 or ALG-5 primer. On those blades where AMT-6 was used, a reddish-brown primer, 138A, was also applied. It was only after the war that propeller tips were painted medium yellow, for a distance of 15-20 cm.” This may be where the "rust colour" prop blades comes from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard502 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Colors 0f the Falcons: Do you recommend this book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesthegringo Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Thanks guys, sounds like I can choose! Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Richard502 said: Colors 0f the Falcons: Do you recommend this book? Yes. If you don't know it already, I would also recommend the website http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmig Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Richard502 said: Colors 0f the Falcons: Do you recommend this book? As editor and publisher I don't feel it would be appropriate to blow my own horn. Instead, here's a link to a short IPMS USA review. One thing to note... since this review the book has been reprinted, and the price has been reduced to $14.95 (plus shipping). https://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/colors-falcons-soviet-aircraft-camouflage-and-markings-world-war-ii 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I have the book as well, and can endorse it wholly. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFlint Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 is there anything in the reprint that is not in the original? in other words...I have the book ...should I buy the reprint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmig Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, PFlint said: is there anything in the reprint that is not in the original? in other words...I have the book ...should I buy the reprint? No... the reprint is the same, with a couple of typos corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Colors of the Falcons is based on a translation of the works of Hornat and (in its best part) of the articles of late '90s of Vaklamov and Orlov published on M-Hobby, and contains a lot of useful informations. Unfortunately some parts were 'enriched' with informations from a previous web site now known for its unreliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 If you only have room for one VVS reference book, get Colours of the Falcons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 The only possible alternative book is Real colors of WWII- Aircraft, of AK. It is a much more expensive book, but it is more updated and extensive. The author of the part on Soviet planes is Orlov, that was the author of the original research on the subject. There are chapters on US, German and British planes. There is a third book on the subject, but it is very unreliable. I don't remember of further ones in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Thanks for the comment on the AK book. As a result of the comments on the AFV equivalent, I was not intending to buy this. After all, I do already have much on British, German and US colours. However, an up-to-date thorough guide to the VVS is definitely needed that goes further than Falcons, so perhaps I'll change my mind. The very unreliable book is however very pretty. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFlint Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 7/29/2020 at 5:27 PM, bobmig said: No... the reprint is the same, with a couple of typos corrected. Okay ! Thanks , Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) On 7/30/2020 at 2:24 PM, Graham Boak said: However, an up-to-date thorough guide to the VVS is definitely needed that goes further than Falcons, There is a new generation of Russian authors, a great series on 1941 colours and markings was published in 5-6 issues of the M-Hobby magazine in 2019. Hopefully there will be a Russian book soon, and an English translation in the future. I see that Black Cross/Red Star series is being revised/reissued/expanded with new research too. Cheers, Vedran Edited August 9, 2020 by dragonlanceHR Typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now