Mottlemaster Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The last minutes of He 111 P-2 ,5./Kampfgeschwader 4 " General Wever " before it force lands as a result of an attack by a Skua Mk2 of 800 sq FAA ,HMS Ark Royal ,Norway 1940 I think that the last and only dogfight Double i have attempted was over 40 years ago so about time i do another one . The inpiration comes from the box art of the newish Airfix P-2 kit . I do not build many 1/72 kits and have some 1/48th and a 1/32 kit in the stash ,but i didnt want to bite off more than i can chew for this G/B as i have done before ,resulting in lack of postings of my progress as i concentrate tomuch on deadline times . I feel very chiled with this choise even though the Skua is so far out of my normal build choise . I have absolutly no FAA colours or refrances and it looks a wee bit fidly ,however it will broaden my horizons . Before i ramble on her is the box art i aim to recreate . a06014-size-60_1 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I hope to add battle damage ,flames, smoke and terified crew . At this point i would like to pay respect to flight engineer Willi Stock who was killed during the attack . Here are some of my typical poor quality photos of the kit parts etc . sh72140 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr This is the Airfix Dogfight double stand P1030388 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I have become addicted to canopy masking sets ,result of getting older and not as careful with the cash . P1030389 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I have even splashed out on a mask set for the splinters . Two crew needed for the Skua . Absolutly nothing FAA or RAF in the spares box in 1/72 P1030390 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030391 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030392 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030392 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I have to sort out some prop blurs of some type . Im realy looking forward to getting my teeth in to this project so roll on the 25th. Cheers Arnold for hosting this G/B . 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG DESTEC Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Looks like a great project Alistair 👍 Who doesn't like a dogfight double? Cheers Greg 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 That looks to be a great project Alistair. I hope you will finish it. Cheers, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 It's over 40 years since I built a dogfight double, and the only Skua I built was the old FROG kit, so this will be doubly entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 You have strayed very much from your scale on this one Alistair. I like the choice of subjects. Good luck with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 Thanks guys for your intrset . I could have done this DFD (Dog fight double ) as it will be called from now on , could have been done in 1/48 as i have two revell 111 in the stash . I wanted to keep this project small as finding time at this time of year is difficult as i run a plant nursery .A hot summer takes away my modeling time in watering .. First posting . The Airfix DFD stand from the Bf 109 & Spitfire . Thought this would take a few seconds . How i was wrong .eEven had to google for tips on how to construct it . Lots of sanding and triming later . P1030394 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I think that at this angle i will be able to pose both aircraft as per Airfix box art . I will now tapeup both !!! and skua parts to do a mockup to see if they fit the space . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Mottlemaster said: First posting . The Airfix DFD stand from the Bf 109 & Spitfire . That stand is a lot different from the "A" base with two straight posts of differing height that were in the DFD that I bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Retired Bob said: That stand is a lot different from the "A" base with two straight posts of differing height that were in the DFD that I bought. The base is not one of Airfixes finest creatios . I hate to think how many damaged models have crashed to the floor as the stand collapses . Im going to have to add lots of weight to the base and may be reinforce the suport struts. Are you refering to the older transparent 2 part airfix stands Bob ? Here is a mockup of what im aiming for , Got to get angles adjusted a little but as long as the stand can take it i think it should work . All parts of kits just held together with tape. P1030398 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr I still suprised how small these aircraft are in 1/72 .Must remember to keep my paint mixes for airbrush smaller . 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Mottlemaster said: The base is not one of Airfixes finest creatios . I hate to think how many damaged models have crashed to the floor as the stand collapses . Im going to have to add lots of weight to the base and may be reinforce the suport struts. Are you refering to the older transparent 2 part airfix stands Bob ? Araldite and lead shot, that should keep the sucker from toppling, and maybe a chunk of wood to spread the footprint. The old DFD "A" stands from the late 60s early 70s were black plastic, and yes they too fell over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Good progress Alistair. Yes these 1/72 planes look real small after you are used to 1/48 or in your case 1/32. I struggle to finish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz23 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 This is going to look awesome once completed, I'm currently planning something simialr with a BoB Hurricane and most likely a Do-17. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Thanks Blitz, do you have any good reference photos showing the acting or I guess artist illustrations as its nearly all the reference material in one package. I cant recommend the Airfix bfd stand but there may well be little better out there unless you fabricate your own . Cheers Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Hills Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Mottlemaster, this is a very poetic approach. Box art has inspired many of us to do models and your choice is ‘out of the box’😉 I also agree with other people on the choice of stand. Perhaps there is something in the garden centre that could be repurposed? in the same way as you I’m mounting my 111 on a stand. But the Faller stand it came with will mean it is too low as I will be adding a V1. Weight of kit is a consideration for you also. And you’ve only just begun 😊😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 13 hours ago, Adrian Hills said: Mottlemaster, this is a very poetic approach. Box art has inspired many of us to do models and your choice is ‘out of the box’😉 I also agree with other people on the choice of stand. Perhaps there is something in the garden centre that could be repurposed? in the same way as you I’m mounting my 111 on a stand. But the Faller stand it came with will mean it is too low as I will be adding a V1. Weight of kit is a consideration for you also. And you’ve only just begun 😊😊 Adrian ,thank you for your garden centre sugestion as its put an idea in my head concerning the weakness of the suporrts . i can fabricate some stronger ones from some metal tube . I have an idea involving magnets too which i hope to develop . owe yes concerning garden cetres . chain of thought Garden centre -----fruit -----fruit cage -----wire------tube Is your V1 going to be attached to the 111 or launched with flames etc ? Cheers Alistair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Yesterday i made a start on some battle damage useing refrances from the box and the original aircraft in the Mountains of Norway . Some of the damage in the rear fuselage may have been the initial damage from the guns of HMS Manchester . The large hole looks far to severe for a .303 . I carried out some experiments on some spare plastic and came to the concusion that in 1/72 a .303 hole is very small and very hard to re craete . I have for artistic reasons decided that the hole can be larger so they can be seen after the paint has been applied . I made a bullet hole applicator useing an old airbrush neadle with a cork handle P1030434 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr The best results were made by heating the needle to red hot and pushing through from the inside so taht when the needle is pulled back it puls the waste plastic back inwards and leaves a slight dnt inwards as the soft heateed plastic is pulled in . Doing the hole from the outside has the opsite affect . Got some too large but they are easy to fill useing some stretched sprue jamed in and fixed wit liquid weld . P1030435 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr red arrows point to hoes i will remove P1030433 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030432 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Some holes being filled P1030436 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Just loveing this kit apart from the crew . Kit detail may well of advanced but Airfix crew in 1/72 are still stuck in the 70's or even worse . Going to invest another £6 in some resin relacements ...the money seems to be mounting up according to my Wife 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Construction has been moveing at a good pace . Fuselage is together and wings are on . The engineering is quite remarcable and the fit is superb ,so good infact i would not recomend any glue thicker than Tamiya extra thin as the plastic needs to weld together without any gap at all .Any small error can throw things out with no wriggle room to get thing back on track easily. The interior has been painted useing mr hobby rlm 02 with a wash of Warpaints soft tone . P1030440 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030441 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr No seat straps needed as this aircraft will have its crew . P1030442 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Exit holes from the .303 bullets . I used these old figures to check that my new resin figures would fit at a later stage . The cockpit was certainly cozy in a 111 P1030444 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr A frightning close up of the faces of this old Airfix crew set . Looks like they may have been rescued from a burning aircraft before. P1030445 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr A strong magnet has been attached with Epoxy glue for possible display stand idea . P1030446 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Reading an account of the demise og this 111 i discoverd that the right engine was hit by HMS manchester but the crew didnt realise it at the time . Only later did it fail so i have put a shell hole in the bottom of the engine pod . To get a more realistic fentry hole i thined out the plastic from the inside so i could push through from the out side and create a dent of sorts . P1030447 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030448 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr The next stage is to get both engines attached and scrape off and clean up any seams . 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Great work Alistair. Cheers, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Law Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Coming along nicely Alistair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Hills Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 WOW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I'm guessing the bombardier took the bullets that would have killed the pilot? It would save you doing one figure, just surgically bend the poor fellow to have him slumped over. Good shell penetration btw. You might be inclined to do a lot of oil dumped, but being an inverted V12 the DB601 engine has a dry sump system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG DESTEC Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Great work Alistair 👍 In terms of detail it's light years ahead of the kit i am building except in the figure department. The Italieri crew have separate arms and are clearly Luftwaffe. Looking forward to the next update. Cheers Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, GREG DESTEC said: Great work Alistair 👍 In terms of detail it's light years ahead of the kit i am building except in the figure department. The Italieri crew have separate arms and are clearly Luftwaffe. Looking forward to the next update. Cheers Greg Greg , im donating the crew to medical science . Are you going to have a crew in your bird ? Just got a new P J productions Luftwaffe crew team in resin so yet another £6.00 spent . 12 hours ago, alt-92 said: I'm guessing the bombardier took the bullets that would have killed the pilot? It would save you doing one figure, just surgically bend the poor fellow to have him slumped over. Good shell penetration btw. You might be inclined to do a lot of oil dumped, but being an inverted V12 the DB601 engine has a dry sump system alt-92 thanks for the advise . Yes i was planning a good size oil spill at bottom of engine . Maybe a coolant leak is more appropriate. Cheers Alistair 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 The PJ Luftwaffe crew have arived so progress on populating the aircraft has started . P1030452 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030453 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Crew positiond in as a test fit . the He 1111 is a cramped cockpit . P1030454 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030455 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Crew assembled . lots of cutting and bending to make crew member look like he has lost conciousnes /died Arms hanging limp body and head slumped forward P1030456 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030457 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Being resin they needed a primer coat so i chose black P1030458 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Finished painting . I hope this scene adds to the drama of the action . It was a tight fit but all seems to be in roughly the right place . P1030459 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr P1030460 by Alistair Pearce, on Flickr Next stage is to get the glazing masked and on to protect the contents . 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Hills Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 That really brings the model alive, albeit one wonders at the health of an occupant! Great work 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 That definitely brings the model into better perspective. Those figures look great and may break my 35 year moratorium on wheels up builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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