Pat C Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Forgive the ignorant question but can the RAFs Jupiter and Juno helicopters be built oob from the Revell EC-135 and 145 kits or is some conversion necessary? Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonywood Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think the Juno can be built from the box, the Jupiter will need flotation gear etc fitted. It may be worth waiting to see what configuration the new Jupiter's ZM496 - 499 appear in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagRigger Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Conversions needed 135 has the intakes in the wrong place 145 needs a new back end 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat C Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Thanks for the comments guys (nice builds Jag!!). Will study some pics to see if I can pick up the differences. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) .Revell updated their H145 in 1/32 with the fenestron back end in two boxings - Civil and MIlitary - not sure how close they are in detail, but it gets over that hurdle! We can only hope they do the same in 1/72! The 135 stil has the earlier intakes, so some conversion needed in that scale too. Edited July 17, 2020 by Dave Fleming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat C Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Yes I have spotted the rather obvious difference on the 145 now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) As I ran into the same trouble I have just made an accurate master for a replacement fenestron tail for the Revell EC145 kit, The EC135 tail is not usable, as it is much smaller and also rather different in shape. I therefore built it entirely from scratch. As I'm new on this forum, I haven't found out yet how to upload a picture from my harddisk (not on an URL, I hate Pinterest or the like) but if anyone wants to see it give me a note, or tell me how to upload some pictures. Maarten Edited August 30, 2020 by maarten.schonfeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, maarten.schonfeld said: I haven't found out yet how to upload a picture from my harddisk (not on an URL, I hate Pinterest or the like) Short answer you can't. You have to upload to a hosting site of some sort and post a link from there. Air graphic models have just released decals for both Juno and Jupiter, https://air-graphics.uk/shop/ols/products/air72-010-british-military-air-arms-update-set-1 and reference using their own coversion kits to build them, but there's no mention of these on their website, so not sure whether it was released and sold out, or still to come and hasn't yet made it onto their Future Releases page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave Swindell said: Short answer you can't. You have to upload to a hosting site of some sort and post a link from there. Air graphic models have just released decals for both Juno and Jupiter, https://air-graphics.uk/shop/ols/products/air72-010-british-military-air-arms-update-set-1 and reference using their own coversion kits to build them, but there's no mention of these on their website, so not sure whether it was released and sold out, or still to come and hasn't yet made it onto their Future Releases page Thank you Dave for the answer. I'll reconsider applying to a hosting site. And interesting about the decals. For the H145 Jupiter HT.1 there was already another decal set fro DF-Helostuff, Germany. Both in 1/32 and 1/72. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackem01 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Any advice for building these in 48th or is that a non starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 56 minutes ago, mackem01 said: Any advice for building these in 48th or is that a non starter? Hi Mackem, thats is indeed quite a different story. Only very recenty ScaleWorx seem to have released a new UH-72 Lakota resin kit SW 48-24 in 1:48, I can't say I have seen anything material from it. But if it exists, then it should provide a similar basis for upgrade to an H145. But I would leave the honour first to ScaleWorx themselves to reach that conclusion. If you can't wait for having a Jupiter in 1:48, buy the ScaleWorx kit and I gladly give you all advice and references to do the job yourself. It isn't as hard as you would think it is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 In fact the chances your wishes will be fulfilled are growing by the day: the US Mindef just announced they have ordered 17 UH-72B Lakota aircraft to be delivered in 2021 and 2022! This UH-72B will be essentially the same as the Jupiter HT.1 (disregarding the antennae and equipment of course), including the fenestron tail. All reason to expect more interest from the kit manufacturers in all popular scales! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackem01 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Great info Maarten, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 hours ago, maarten.schonfeld said: In fact the chances your wishes will be fulfilled are growing by the day: the US Mindef just announced they have ordered 17 UH-72B Lakota aircraft to be delivered in 2021 and 2022! Can you share a source for this report? I assume these would be "off the shelf" similar to the initial UH-72A procurement? Probably just a semantic issue, but the U.S. government doesn't have a "ministry" of anything, the term used is "department" of defense (DoD). In colonist's English, a "ministry" is what a priest does for a living 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) Multiple reports: https://www.army-technology.com/news/airbus-lakota-uh-72b-helicopters-us-army/ https://www.defensenews.com/land/2020/08/28/airbus-unveils-b-model-lakotas-will-enter-us-army-fleet-in-2021/ https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/uh-72b-take-look-us-army’s-new-helicopter-168133 Convinced? And of course, you are semantically correct, in the US it is called DoD and not 'ministry'. Edited September 1, 2020 by maarten.schonfeld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) And the sources state clearly these are not similar to the existing UH-72A Lakota's, but different in having the 'shrouded tail rotor' as they describe the fenestron. Plus the added power output of the Arriel 1E2 engines. Edited September 1, 2020 by maarten.schonfeld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, maarten.schonfeld said: Convinced? And of course, you are semantically correct, in the US it is called DoD and not 'ministry'. Thanks for the link. Apologies if you misread my initial post, I was simply asking if you could share the source of your information, not questioning its validity. 1 hour ago, maarten.schonfeld said: And the sources state clearly these are not similar to the existing UH-72A Lakota's, but different in having the 'shrouded tail rotor' as they describe the fenestron. Plus the added power output of the Arriel 1E2 engines. Again, I think you misread what I meant by "similar to the UH-72A procurement" - this was in reference to buying the helicopters "as is" rather than modifying in any significant way (e.g. substituting US engines). It was clear from your earlier context that the UH-72B was an EC-145 model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Hi CT7567, Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding! However, you added a possible new one in your last reply: 'EC-145' (or more complete: EC145 T1) is the name referring to the Eurocopter (defunct since 2014) model with the conventional tailrotor, just like the UH-72A Lakota now in service for 15 years. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC145. The version with the fenestron tail was called EC145 T2 at its inception in 2011, but when Eurocopter changed their name to 'Airbus Helicopters' in 2014, the commercial name was changed into H145, so this is the name now used to refer to the current production version. However, to complicate matters, the official name according to certification papers goes even further back: on their nameplate these current helicopters are indicated as 'MBB-BK117 D-2' , referring to the lineage back to their Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm and Kawasaki origins from the 1970s. The indication 'MBB-BK117 D-3' is already reserved for the new version with five-bladed main rotor, of which deliveries are expected to start this month, first examples almost ready to be delivered to the Norwegian Air Ambulance service. In fact every operator requests particular equipment to be added, and the US military services will be no exception, so without doubt there will be some equipment fitted to the UH-72B Lakota that will be particular to that version. However in the reports it is stressed these helicopters will be largely off the shelf, so with the standard European (French!) engines. Edited September 2, 2020 by maarten.schonfeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) Hi to all who have been waiting for the 1/72 Airbus H145 fenestron tail, which I promised some time ago. There is good news! Since a few days these are commercially available from: Naval Models: https://www.navalmodels.com/product/airbus-h145-helicopter-1-72-fenestron-tail-conversion-set/ DF-Helostuff: https://www.sparks-scalemodelshop.de/p/msc72-01-airbus-h145-fenestron-tail-conversion-set-umbausatz-1-72 Aviation Megastore: https://www.aviationmegastore.com/airbus--h145-helicopter-fenestron-tail-conversion-set-revell-msc72-01-mw-models-msc72-01-aircraft-modelling-conversion/product/?action=prodinfo&art=175560 Stock is limited, but a second production run is underway, don't dispair if you can't get it now. As for myself, I built my prototype as the Dutch PH-OOP ambulance helicopter from ANWB. Currently I'm building the first production cast tail into an RAF Jupiter HT.1, using DF-Helostuff decals. Encountering no particular problems. But one further note: we concluded that the end result will be even better with a PE brass fenestron rotor, the production for that has already been started. These rotors (plus similar EC135 rotors to improve the Revell EC 135 kit) will become available soon, sold separataly. Cheers, Maarten Edited February 2, 2021 by maarten.schonfeld Typos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Rozendal Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Hi Maarten, Your link to Naval Models does not work (error 404). Found the conversion set through their search engine (https://www.navalmodels.com/product/airbus-h145-helicopter-1-72-fenestron-tail-conversion-set/) . The other two links do work. Best Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter Rozendal said: Hi Maarten, Your link to Naval Models does not work (error 404). Found the conversion set through their search engine (https://www.navalmodels.com/product/airbus-h145-helicopter-1-72-fenestron-tail-conversion-set/) . The other two links do work. Best Regards, Peter Thanks Peter for your check. I noted that the page was updated indeed, I edited my post so that it works correctly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torqueofthedevil Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Just make sure that you put 1/48 scale crew in the 1/72 model. Or 1/32 crew if you make a 1/48 kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, torqueofthedevil said: Just make sure that you put 1/48 scale crew in the 1/72 model. Or 1/32 crew if you make a 1/48 kit! ???🤨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropshireThistle Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Hi Everyone, I have just joined up! Love reading all the comments; at last I've found some folk who might be able to help me! Thought I would let you know how I am getting on with my 1/32 H145 DHFS Jupiter. I am converting it from the Revell 1/32 German Police Surveillance Helicopter, mainly because I really struggled to find the Revell 1/32 H145M LUH German Army kit which I think would have been a closer relation to the Jupiter with an empty interior, longer skids and a winch. My question for you all is; How might I find the winch and extended skids plus flotation gear? I have contacted Revell spare parts and amazingly they are sending me some skids and a winch but I think the winch is not the same as the one on the Jupiter, plus I still have the issue of the flotation bags. I presume I will have to make some? I also believe there is a flotation canister under the rear winchman door? Many thanks in advance for all your help. I am not particularly proficient but have got into building helicopters as I find them quite challenging!! My most difficult build I had recently was the 1/72 Airfix Commando Sea King.. You guys (and gals??) all sound very pro so please forgive the idiot questions or stating the obvious! Many thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten.schonfeld Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Hello and welcome ShropshireThistle, Your nickname suggests you live close to these DHFS helicopters! You might then be able to have a much closer look into many of these helicopter details than I have. As for starters I think you already took a good course obtaining those Revell skids and winch parts. Where these might differ from the real ones I'm afraid you will have to build your own new parts. That shouldn't be very difficult at first, but the more detail you add it might become harder. What intrigues me: I have found no single photo of the cabin interior (rear) of the Jupiter, but I have glanced there is a side facing bucket seat on the Starboard side. I have used a spare Puma type for my 1/72 interior, but maybe you have more usable info on this? KR, Maarten Edited February 19, 2021 by maarten.schonfeld Error, mixed up PT and SB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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