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Thanks Andreas!

 

Heller should re-release probably within a few weeks the box "French Task Force" and tanker "La Seine" and "La Saône" also in individual boxes (1/400).

I just bought a few days ago for a good price,  this rare second hand box, included the paint, and masking tape.

 

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The stern is glued. Which puts an end to this first season!  😊

 

I'm working on the drawing of the rear pump room in front of the rear castle.

 

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Well, I've been facing a dilemma for a few days now. 🤨

 

Since I came across the photos at sea with her Dazzle livery of the Tanker T2 Pamanset (AO-85) accompanying the aircraft carrier USS Essex (CV-9) in the China Sea, January 45, a few days ago, I've been asking about the casting...

 

I have only one picture of the Santa-Ynez during the war, just after its launch, in sea trials, so without its final livery. As it is the armed version of the WW2 that I want to represent, it poses a problem of documentation. I don't know if it was equipped for refueling at sea. Anyway, I could represent it out of the shipyard, but it would lack... salt, weathering. And representing him with a dazzle and not knowing if he wore that camouflage makes me a little sad.

 

Good client:

 

So I'm interested in the Pamanset (AO-85) and Ponaganset (AO-86), both built at the same MarineShipyard in Sausalito, California, as the Santa Ynez, but another series of the Suamico Class, pretty much the same. The AO-86 stopped sailing in 1949.

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Pamanset (AO-85)

A river in Massachusetts.

 

(AO-85: dp. 21,650; l. 523'6"; b. 68'; dr. 30'10"; s. 15.1 k.; cpl. 267; a. 1 5" 4 3", 4 40mm., 12 20mm.

 

Pamanset (AO-85) was laid down as MC hull 1264 by the Marinship Corp., Sausalito, Calif. under a Maritime Commission contract 30 March 1943; launched 25 June 1943; sponsored by Mrs. W. B. Murray; acquired by the Navy and commissioned 30 April 1944, Comdr. D. J. Houle in command.

 

Following shakedown, Pamanset sailed for Pearl Harbor and duty with the Pacific Fleet during the final months of World War II. Departing Pearl Harbor 24 July 1944, she steamed to the Marshall Islands, then to the Admiralty Islands where she spent the next several months refueling units of the 3rd Fleet. She continued her support of the 3rd Fleet during the Western Caroline and Philippine Islands engagements in the fall of 1944 as well as during the Formosa and China coast attacks early in 1945. Refueling operations in very heavy seas in January 1945, resulted in injuries to several of her crew. 

 

Pamanset arrived off Iwo Jima 26 February and participated in that campaign until returning to Ulithi, 2 March, thence proceeding to San Pedro, Calif. for extensive repairs. She was underway again 4 June for the Western Pacific and serviced the 3rd Fleet in various fueling areas until the end of the war. After extensive operations in support of the occupation fleet in Japanese home waters, she departed Yokohama 8 November for San Francisco where she decommissioned 18 March 1946. She was struck from the Naval Register 28 March and transferred to the Maritime Commission 11 October.

Reacquired 10 February 1948, Pamanset was assigned to Military Sea Transportation Service 1 October 1949 and manned by a merchant crew. After necessary fitting out and trials, she added to her wartime record by rendering valuable service during the Korean conflict. She was struck from the Naval Register and transferred to the Maritime Administration Reserve Fleet 24 February 1956, reinstated 26 June for MSTS contract operations again, then struck again 26 September 1957. Subsequently converted to a container ship, she was sold by the Maritime Administration to Hudson Waterway Corp. and serves into 1970 as Seatrain Florida.

 

 

There's a little mistake on the USN Dazzle website, they are indeed T2-SE-A2 Escambia Class Fleet Oiler and not A1 as often written. Just a bit less powerful than the "Mission" class, but more than 2000 hp than the A1 class, an intermediate class between the A1 and the pure A2 somehow.

 

http://www.aukevisser.nl/t2tanker/id483.htm

 

This site is a gold mine for friends of the Dazzle:

 

http://www.usndazzle.com/index.php

 

http://www.usndazzle.com/ships.php?category=7&class=1

 

These two ships wear the same Dazzle camouflage, but the Pamanset has better photo documentation, and sailed until 1986. She was converted into a container ship.

The USN Dazzle site provides all the information concerning the Dazzle 32/3AO scheme:

 

Port and starboard are of course not identical... this document is original:

 

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The drawing for Design 32/3AO for the Cimarron and Ashtabula classes of fleet oilers based on the T3 maritime hull. The vertical colors specified were: dull black (BK), ocean gray (5-O) and light gray (5-L); ships that substituted haze gray (5-H) for light gray would have been in Measure 31. This drawing was probably completed by January 1944. Note the PT boats shown as deck cargo and the two waterlines.

This is the only design drawing for Design 3AO.

Original drawing source: NARA 80-G-160236 and 80-G-160237.

 

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AO-86 the starboard side:

 

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"Seatrain Florida", ex. USS Pamanset (AO-85).

 

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So I'd like your opinion on my desperate case, should I change my mind?

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On 7/18/2020 at 5:21 PM, Chewbacca said:

Furthermore, my son graduated from  university last year with an engineering degree where he excelled in CAD so is my resident expert.  I've got him lined up to design the frames for a 1/350 HM Airship No 1 which will be my first foray into proper 3D printing when I've saved the pennies to buy a decent resin set up. 

I share your fortune in that regard Ralph. Two of my boys are pretty expert in this stuff, one actually makes a living out of it, so I've got the skills on hand as it were. He is tutoring me in learning 3D modelling CAD and I'm not finding it too difficult, but there is a lot to learn. The younger of the two I mention has also just designed printed and built a model of a Moscow Tube station in the 60's complete with trains, in 1/50, for part of his final degree piece, and he got his results last week ........... a frist! One very pleased Dad, and the double whammy is he comes off the payroll soon!

 

This is a very impressive build indeed Iceman. A whole new approach to scratch building ships.

 

Terry

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I would just like to say that what you are doing here is remarkable and shows what is possible with skill and imagination, I take my hat off to you sir !

As for your dilemma, surely the Pamanset would be an ideal subject, certainly a ship with a long and interesting history, and you seem to have some excellent reference material, actually one thing I have just noticed, on the drawings the paint demarcation on the port bow is shown as curved, but the photos seem to show a straight line, just shows how important photographic references are !

 

keep up the good work, following this with great interest !

Cheers

 

David

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Thanks Terry and David! 

 

Yes there are some differences with the schematic drawing like this line. We have also an anti-fooling on photo, USN hull red (AK5026) ? 

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I've been drawing a lot of things since yesterday, which take time, small details, masts, masts, pump rooms, and cargo tank domes.

I've drawn the sheet lines also on the hull, and the sketch lines of the Dazzle camouflage, different on port and starboard.

The masts were printed and came out rather well, the difficulty being the eyes for the fittings .
 


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There are 3 tanks by section.

 

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On 20/07/2020 at 22:26, Iceman 29 said:

Then I used a radically different method. The idea worked well

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Your perseverance worked so well.  Personally I think my alternative method would have been to make a waterline model!

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Yesterday.

 

I took off the masts. With the platform configuration. The mule void of the aft masts is necessarily placed higher and turned outward by 15°. I'll have to modify in any case and re-print, the two at the back of Chateau avant are slightly smaller, it's visible on some photos of the Pamanset...

 

The famous platform used for refuelling and stores:

A model that I found, not very detailed, around 1/300 for the biggest one, it's made individually, the selling price is accessible through the link... the biggest 1960$... 

These pictures have the merit to help me a little.

 

https://sdmodelmakers.com/escambia-class-replenishment-oiler-models.html

 

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Here we can see a type of platform, this picture I just found will help me a lot, we can see the lifting winches that I will have to reproduce. 

 

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The only picture of the back of a T2 on wedge, not easy to find, I'm glad to see that it matches the propeller shape.

 

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I started drawing again this afternoon and had time to print my 4 new mats during this time.

 

I made a sketch of the platform, now I just have to put these mounts on it. The supports of the walkway are installed and adjusted in height. The DCA islands are drawn, their access gangways are still to be created, different at Bd and TD because of the main aft mast that comes in between. These flak islands are also equipped with a small vertical ladder, which allows the emergency evacuation of the island probably, they will be made of PE.

 

The aft cargo mast supports are designed to put the masts at the berth.

 

I only worked on photos for these new elements, no plan available.

 

I placed 4 Oerlikon 20 mm flak guns recovered for free on the internet.

 

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I continued work today on the middle slice. Drawings of the walkways of the flak islands, support of the refuelling platform.

 

Printing, then gluing the printed elements, some of them older. Gluing of the 4 new mats. The catwalks came out well, despite their finesse.

 

I recovered from the floor of the Bismarck bridge falls ... 


I should have enough material for the refueling platform as well, this floor will be painted with this Dazzle Measure 32 3AO camouflage standard, probably Deck Blue 20-B or partly with Ocean Grey 5-O. 

 

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From the virtual, "the drawing board", to reality, it's always magical, I never get tired of it.

 

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I mounted some PE  today for a change. From the Chinese one I bought for the Hornet CV-8 (30 Oerlikon, I was missing the 20 mm brass guns), I borrowed 4 of them for this tanker. 

 

I reorderedsome, they come in sets of 8 with PE spares. The quality is not bad far from there. There is no resin, it's all brass. The charger is missing though.

Normally 20 mm. double mounts were mounted on this ship, but I'll skip, not find, other tankers had singles.

 

I still have the ammunition cases to make them in this style:

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I'm looking for a 5" 38 barrel for the rear platform, not easy to find, I found a 5" 25.

 

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To sum up:

 

http://www.aukevisser.nl/t2tanker/id483.htm

 

Armament: 

1  - 5"/38 dual purpose gun carriage. 

 

 5" 25 :
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4 x 3"/50 cannons.

4 twin 40 mm cannons.

4 twin 20 mm barrels, which I replaced with singles.

 

I think some are missing, I counted 19 pieces on the picture at the bottom of the post about the USS Sebec...

 

There are probably a total of 12,  20 mm Oerlikons. Those ships were heavily armed.

 

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You can see the three ammunition box on each islet here: 

 

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The armament configuration of the USS Pamancet probably:

 

USNS Sebec (AO-87): Same class.

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I just noticed a detail in this photo, this type of ship was obviously equipped with a depth charge launcher . One more thing to add.

 

USS Ponaganset (AO-86), same class, it will break in two later... 

 

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I've made some progress in the last couple of days.

 

Designed and printed the entrance to the forward pump room. It's finished, paint 20 B, PE door open, hatch etc... I'm happy with the result.

 

I put some stairways, drew the mooring bitts, and printed it.

 

Printed and laid the central gangway of the bow section.

 

The aft section's flak islands are completely finished.

 

Received the railing from Tom's Modelworks, 2 rails type, I glued a piece on the forecastle, it looks good, it's extremely thin. It was 2 rails at the time, later replaced by 3 after the war.

 

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It was requisitioned by the Allied forces to supply the island fortress of Malta during the Mediterranean campaign.

 

The tanker played a fundamental role in Operation Pedestal in August 1942, one of the biggest Malta convoy clashes, pitting the Allied convoy forces against the air, sea and submarine forces of Italy and Nazi Germany.


A torpedo fired from the Italian submarine Axum struck the tanker on the port side.


It was commanded by Captain Dudley Mason and is considered the largest tanker at the time, capable of sailing at over 16 knots. Although having succeeded in reaching the besieged port of Malta on 15 August5, the tanker suffered seven direct hits, twenty of them quite close, and lost its engines; it was then taken over by three destroyers (HMS Penn, HMS Ledbury and HMS Bramham). She was so badly damaged that she was withdrawn from service in August 1945, declared irreparable.

 

On 19 September 1946, the forward half of the Ohio was towed ten miles offshore and sunk by firing from the destroyer HMS Virago. On October 3rd, the stern half was scuttled in deep water with explosive charges set by the salvage ship RFA Salventure.

 

Epilogue:


The last ship built for the Texaco fleet was named Star Ohio, in honour of the famous tanker of the Second World War. It was operated by Northern Marine Management on behalf of the Chevron Company.

 

The nameplate, the ship's wheel, the sign and several other objects from the Ohio are kept in the National War Museum in Valletta.

 

The arrival of the Ohio at the Grand Harbour provided the climax of the 1953 British war film, Malta Story. (Wiki)

 

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From this hull I could also have represented French civilian ships like the Kirkouk or the Palmyre of the CNP, Compagnie Navale des Pétroles (TOTAL).

 

These ships from T2 plan had been built in France, notably in Saint Nazaire or Dunkirk before the war for some of them.

 

My father sailed notably as second engineer on the Palmyre, Novice La Maou and Kirkouk in the 1950s.

 

Excerpts from his seaman's book, the bible of the maritime life of a sailor: 

 

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The Novice Le Maou of CNP, Compagnie Navale des Pétroles (TOTAL):


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The Kirkouk:

 

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The Palmyre:

 

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Tanker Palmyre:
Launched in Saint-Nazaire

06/1940 - In the process of being finished in Saint-Nazaire, it tries to escape the German advance but is damaged by a mine and during an air attack. She is brought back to Saint-Nazaire by the tug CHAMPION.
1940 - VIERLANDEN (Deu) - Seized by the Germans.
08/1944 - She is scuttled in the Loire at Roche Maurice.
09/1944 - She is refloated for refit.
1949 - PALMYRE (Fra) - Compagnie Navale des Pétroles
06/06/1951 - In the fog off Ushant, he boarded and sank the cargo ship HOEGH CYGNET (Nor/48/1657).
1963 - OKTO (Lbr)
1963 - Delivered to demolition workers in Hong Kong


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Printing of the platform. The handrails are very thin, a little too thin for the ladder, I think, it's hard to distinguish them...

 

I laid flooring, more remains of the wooden bridge of the Bismarck. I recovered some of the rest of the PE board to make the surround of the platform. It finishes the deck well.

 

The supports of the platform are extremely thin, I broke some by clumsiness, replaced by piano wire. I had cans and crates in stock, I placed it for fun, nothing is glued of course, not even the platform because there are a lot of pipes to install underneath and paint to apply. 


I have the winches for the masts to draw. I would put an airplane engines or two on rack on the platform, I have some in 3D stock, double star and single star.

 

The platform will be painted in dark blue USN 20B at least most of it according to the Dazzle plan and 5O Ocean grey.

 

Luckily I found a free 3D "potato launcher" (Depth charge launchers) with its rack. The drawing is rather good quality for free.

 

Some overview of the ship.

 

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Painting of the platform. Too bad you can't see the floorboards anymore. Should've used a floor with the grooves carved in... Scaledeck's flooring isn't really made to be painted.

 

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The first sailor on board, he gives the scale.

 

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Thanks! 

 

I drew the tops of the hawse pipes tonight.You'd think it'd be easy to draw, but it's not so easy...


I've got some excellent pictures to help me of the forecastle.

 

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Tks Steve! 😜

 

I gave myself a day's thought as to whether I should erase the blackboard, I wasn't satisfied enough with this element, it was acceptable but nothing more, and as I don't want to blame myself for not having done the reasonable maximum, I decided to do everything over again as I should have done, it happens to us all, it depends where you place the cursor... 

 

That's also the flexibility of 3D printing, it's not good, we rectify, and print again. The railing is lost and the rest of the recovery PE too, but I still have some left, and a bit of paint... And a lot of hours, but this is free...   

 

Here's the result, rather encouraging..

 

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I got closer to the floor design in this photo.

 

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I designed a ventilation funnel for the forecastle, and a gooseneck. 

 

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Precise positioning of the tops of the hawsers and gluing.

 

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Anchor size reduced by 7%, too big for my taste. That's more like it. You can see the difference in definition between the Anycubic resin and the Elegoo, despite the many hours of use of the printer screen between the two prints and the smaller size . There's no debate..

 

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