perdu Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, wellsprop said: Is Simone also printing you a new tail rotor hub to replace the old one from the kit? not subtle dude Look how many times I had to keep looking to even see the differences at first... Then I spent half the afternoon walking round the Yeovilton display line telling my mate Bill2 "Old type, old type, look a later type, old type..." I think he wanted to shove a bun in my gob to shut me up, tasty. Soss, egg and red sauce. Yummy This has now officially moved up my doing it nextish list along with an Irish Coast Guard S-61N. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, IV(AC)Plumb said: Not that I'm aware of, he's said he will be doing nose cones, winches, external search light and radar fairings... How do I tag him on here? I had a look at Simone's facebook page, I'm not sure if he's got a TR conversion. I can knock up the CAD for you if required (I may even be able to get it printed if my mates printer is back up and running) @SimPlai 21 minutes ago, perdu said: not subtle dude Look how many times I had to keep looking to even see the differences at first... Then I spent half the afternoon walking round the Yeovilton display line telling my mate Bill2 "Old type, old type, look a later type, old type..." I think he wanted to shove a bun in my gob to shut me up, tasty. Soss, egg and red sauce. Yummy This has now officially moved up my doing it nextish list along with an Irish Coast Guard S-61N. Oops! Yes, there are quite a few differences! In fact, the 600 series AW101, isn't very similar at all to the 500 series EH101... Although they do mostly look similar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 A couple of dissimilarity pictures would help, if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) So here is the old tail rotor, this is the "teetering" type. As you can see from the Airfix kit, it is literally two tail rotors stacked one on top of the the other And here is the new (fully articulated) tail rotor The blades themselves (at least from a modellers point of view) are unchanged. What can be clearly seen is that there is a central "wheel" as the hub, to which the blades attach. The blades are bolted to that large U shaped linking component, which goes through those holes in the central hub. The link and hub are connected by an elastomeric bearing. The fully articulated hub also includes a lag damper to each of the blades (thats the dog-bone-chew-toy-shape thats attached to the side of the hub and the trailing side of the blade root. The control scissors (Airfix parts C53 and C54) have changed and now join beneath the spider (rather than on top), they attach to the hub next to the hub attachment for the lag damper (there are still 2 scissors, one on each side of the hub), the spider (Airfix part C40 has changed slightly - but unlikely noticeable in even 48th scale). From wiki "Upon its entry to service, the AW101 experienced tail rotor hub cracking issues; including one British Merlin crashing on 30 March 2004 which was caused by this issue.[15] The CH-149 Cormorant has been grounded and been placed on limited flight status multiple times due to hub cracks; all 15 aircraft in Canadian inventory showed cracks of varying degrees shortly after entry to service in 2004.[16] A subsequent redesign was issued in 2005; out of the six aircraft which had the new hubs installed, three showed cracking one month later.[17] A new Articulated Tail Rotor (ATR) with elastomeric bearings has been adopted on the AW101, based on a proven design used on the AW139 medium-twin helicopter. The ATR is now standard issue on new AW101s and is offered for retrofit on existing fleets." I think you'll struggle to find ANY 101 flying currently with the old tail rotor (it's been retrofitted). This is one of the most outwardly noticeable changes between the 500 and 600 standard, however there are a huge amount more material, configuration, software, surface coating, etc changes (not applicable to scale models though). Edited July 9, 2020 by wellsprop Correcting info mistake 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IV(AC)Plumb Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) Anyone would think you work on the tail rotors of these????😉 Edited July 9, 2020 by IV(AC)Plumb Sp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Always, always ask a man who knows. Thanks for that, same as for my 72th scale Merlin then. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACDC Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Very impressive start. Looking forward to following this. If you have a printer you will need to make these crests. Top = (510mm) 10.6 mm high in 1/48th Bottom = (400mm) 8.3 mm high in 1/48th - you will need to flip this for the stbd side. The Fluorescent Red/Orange finish is RAL3024 I can also be of help for any details, but as Wellsprop said as long as it is not sensitive. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IV(AC)Plumb Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, wellsprop said: I had a look at Simone's facebook page, I'm not sure if he's got a TR conversion. I can knock up the CAD for you if required (I may even be able to get it printed if my mates printer is back up and running) @ellsprop I've access to a 3D printer but not the CAD so anything you can help with much appreciated. Areas I'd be interested in are: Tail rotor hub! Sponson radar panels Interior seats (crew seat not pax) Nose cone and FLIR interior of crew access door/steps Rear sensor at very end of tail (parking sensors!!) Aerial fit Searchlight mounting Underside search light modules Sensor antenna to port side of nose wheel bay (black bit!) So yes any and all help appreciated as it looks like once again I've taken on a behemoth of a job! Thanks Steve Edited July 9, 2020 by IV(AC)Plumb tag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 PM inbound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, wellsprop said: PM inbound! Er, any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Looking good, it's very nice kit, I have two on the go. Thanks for Wellsprop for the heads up on the TR a printed alterantive would be great. I've pulled up a front row seat... Colin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman11 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 10:16 AM, Vingtor said: I am definitely thinking about 1/72 scale. Not sure about the sales potential for 1/48. Nils Well, we just have to accept this, but THE best kit (sofar) is in 1/48...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 9:16 AM, Vingtor said: I am definitely thinking about 1/72 scale. That is what I like to hear! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchstone42 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 08/07/2020 at 09:16, Vingtor said: I am definitely thinking about 1/72 scale. Not sure about the sales potential for 1/48. Nils I’d definitely be up for a 1:48 nose job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimPlai Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 The tail rotor is also on the "to-do list" in both 48 and 72. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimPlai Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) Light search Hh101 Caesar and Norvegian Edited July 15, 2020 by SimPlai 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) On 7/15/2020 at 7:59 PM, SimPlai said: The tail rotor is also on the "to-do list" in both 48 and 72. Here's my 1/48 version of the tail rotor! Edited July 19, 2020 by wellsprop 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IV(AC)Plumb Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Oxygen bottle storage Crew chair (prototype) Crew door/Steps 3D Printed crew seats Blue windows??? or protective film? Edited July 19, 2020 by IV(AC)Plumb 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I don't think they are actually blue tinted. 0279, in your picture, hasn't got it's rotors on yet, so it had yet to fly (I'm not sure if it has flown yet - ZZ110 https://www.helis.com/database/cn/43964/ ). Looks like it still has protective wrapping on the exhausts and intakes too. Here's how they should look, note the tinted cockpit windows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IV(AC)Plumb Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) Glad about that, although they do look kinda funky in blue! Is it just the roof panels that are tinted on the cockpit? Edited July 20, 2020 by IV(AC)Plumb Add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, IV(AC)Plumb said: Glad about that, although they do look kinda funky in blue! Is it just the roof panels that are tinted on the cockpit? The roof panels are black/grey/brownish tinted. The windscreen also appears blueish tinted (its clear from the inside looking out), this is due to the fancy laminated windscreen with deicing capability embedded. The cockpit side windows also look tinted from the outside, however they appear a bit more reddish-blue. I've also realised the cockpit panel has change significantly. The Airfix part (B17) shows the old small screens on the panel, on NAWSARH they have been replaced with 5 10"x8" LCD's. This should be a really simple conversion, sand flat the old detail and replace with 5 5mmx4mm bits of plasticard. Edited July 20, 2020 by wellsprop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IV(AC)Plumb Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 AW101 Prototype crew seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IV(AC)Plumb Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 Been busy with the interior, starting to look a lot more like an SAR interior now, shame so much of this will be semi-hidden inside.... Full compliment of crew seats: Bit more detail to the casualty station: Portable stretcher: Full interior 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Seriously impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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