CedB Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 18 hours ago, alt-92 said: mmm.... I don't think it's overproduction - rather smart salesmanship. They know they have a good kit, and the boxed versions ship with multiple options in decals (especially the Expert sets) So they can still sell their runs, but don't need to do 100% of the boxes, manuals & stuff ánd have happy customers at the same time! Thanks alt - makes sense! 18 hours ago, Troy Smith said: No. it's meant to curve. The cockpit side wall is curved plywood. Note the cockpit fitting are attached from the outside, screwed or bolted through the ply, as can be seen here [snip pic] If you zoom the pic, the detail are very clear, visble screw heads etc. To the left of the dogs neck a small fabric patch can be seen, with 'pinked' edges The machine sporting this is YB-F of 17 Sq, July 1940 a rare P**** series Hurricane built with fabric wings, 3 other pics are here https://www.flickr.com/photos/144949377@N05/albums/72157678154026658/with/46178589494/ There are 3 possible serials that are fabric winged and were at 17 Sq. HTH Thanks Troy - yes, that helps a lot. Now bent (see below) 17 hours ago, corsaircorp said: Hello Ced, I oftenly be nicknamed a Dinosaur... Old fashioned modeller... What should I add... CC Thanks CC - that explains it! 15 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: They're looking great Ced, and it's a very useful comparison between the kits. Glad your thumb is healing so quickly. I did nearly the same thing a few weeks ago opening a package, and globbed some superglue onto the cut - it worked! (Also managed to spill some on my model and didn't notice til it had set, d'oh!) Thanks Cookie I've tried the superglue too in the past and my brand didn't even sting! More tiny PE this morning. This interested me - the panel here has to have the end gauges bent upwards. How do they do that? A couple of tiny holes in the PE allows you to 'break the top off': Can you see the holes? Oh well, I tried You can definitely see the result here: Side panel bent in (thanks Troy): …and panels fitted: I've bent the gauges up a bit now. Yes, I did knock the throttle lever off, now glued back on. Note the little lever in the middle, currently unpainted. This goes on top of, er, a little lever? I can't see a double lever in reference shots so I guess the plastic one should be cut off. Or the PE one ignored. I'm a bit embarrassed to show this: The narrowest bit on my cheap(ish) PE tool is too wide for the map case. Rats. I used tweezers to hold it on the tool and bend the other edges This does get a bit silly with the 'envelope': Tiny. It's on now: I need a lie down… 23 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I’m not surprised. There’s an awful lot of tiny PE there, and in 1/72! John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Biggles87 said: I’m not surprised. There’s an awful lot of tiny PE there, and in 1/72! John True, but it's turning out great Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I thought you didn't do teensy tiny small stuff Ced? Methinks you doth protest too much! Is there maybe a small addiction starting here? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Even if I had a manipulating microscope I do not believe I could handle those diddy pieces There's a madness hereabouts... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 All three making fine progress there Ced. Fiddly bits of P.E. to play with...... Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 What tiny bits of PE are you lot talking about - I can't see any.... K 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Great work with those miniscule PE parts Ced. I must confess that I suffered a heavy defeat at their hands on my build and consigned them to recycling bin. Always thought in the right hands they could give a spectacular result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 04/07/2020 at 11:54, Biggles87 said: I’m not surprised. There’s an awful lot of tiny PE there, and in 1/72! John On 04/07/2020 at 12:09, giemme said: True, but it's turning out great Ciao Thanks John and Giorgio Taxing it is… On 04/07/2020 at 13:57, hendie said: I thought you didn't do teensy tiny small stuff Ced? Methinks you doth protest too much! Is there maybe a small addiction starting here? I thought I was having a break too hendie but 'twas not to be Addiction? I hope not! On 04/07/2020 at 17:55, perdu said: Even if I had a manipulating microscope I do not believe I could handle those diddy pieces There's a madness hereabouts... True Bill, aha ha ha ha… On 04/07/2020 at 19:10, Spookytooth said: All three making fine progress there Ced. Fiddly bits of P.E. to play with...... Simon. Thanks Simon, really fiddly 15 hours ago, keefr22 said: What tiny bits of PE are you lot talking about - I can't see any.... K I know Keith, I'm having to be very careful to point something at the PE once cut so that, when I take my eyes away from it to charge the GG Thin brush, I can find the bloomin' thing again! 13 hours ago, RichieW said: Great work with those miniscule PE parts Ced. I must confess that I suffered a heavy defeat at their hands on my build and consigned them to recycling bin. Always thought in the right hands they could give a spectacular result. Thanks Richie I think that's probably wise. I bet none of it will be visible after close up, let alone when it's on the ceiling! I did think about having this one wheels down and in the cabinet, but I've promised Troy the wheels… I can always buy another I suppose. Addiction? What me? Fiddly part 1: Part 2: Now then, have a look at the pedals, bottom left. Where are you supposed to cut the plastic? I decided on here: Hmmm. Too tired for anything else this morning. I stayed up to late binge watching 'Hunters' on Prime. Tense. That was after Mrs B's birthday celebrations yesterday. We'd invited the girls down for lunch. Our garden table had gone rotten so more was ordered. Has to be big enough for 2m distancing!!! All assembled and ready, thumb injuries aside. Was it nice and sunny? No. Average wind speed in the 20s with gusts forecast up to 40mph. Mrs B bought in some food after we cancelled the table we had at a local hotel - not happy with the internal distancing. Do you know how far a plastic container of couscous can blow? How about Strawberries? All I can say is it's impressive… and messy! 13 2 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Social gathering within 1 metre plus is permitted after July 4. Yes I know that far too close for upwind couscous but that's the cut of its jib again. It used to be that government advice could be understood, nowadays it only needs to be 'out here' Confused? Oh yes! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Very nice Ced! When you finish all that PE watchmakingey stuff I seem to remember you had a Hurricane kit (or three) to build? Regards, Adrian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Great fiddly work fella All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 5 hours ago, perdu said: upwind couscous 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 20 hours ago, perdu said: Social gathering within 1 metre plus is permitted after July 4. Yes I know that far too close for upwind couscous but that's the cut of its jib again. It used to be that government advice could be understood, nowadays it only needs to be 'out here' Confused? Oh yes! Tricky Bill isn't it? I'm staying safe - I don't think the virus can read the current guidance and it's still about 19 hours ago, AdrianMF said: Very nice Ced! When you finish all that PE watchmakingey stuff I seem to remember you had a Hurricane kit (or three) to build? Regards, Adrian Hurricane kits? What Hurricane kits? I'm hoping to get the magnifiers off soon… please, soon. 18 hours ago, bigbadbadge said: Great fiddly work fella All the best Chris Thanks Chris 15 hours ago, hendie said: Yes, very funny (if you weren't there). Mrs B looked at the weather and said "We can dress up warm - It'll be just like camping!" I hate camping. Faced with this this morning: I touched up the PE and knocked off the lever on the lever - threw it in the bin and painted the plastic. Applied Contacta to the seat and positioned it. Knocked off the PE adjuster handle. Couldn't fit the 'V' frame and the i/p neatly. Practiced my Anglo-Saxon a bit. I'm all fingers and thumbs this morning so I think I'd better leave well alone… 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Kay Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, CedB said: I touched up the PE and knocked off the lever on the lever - threw it in the bin and painted the plastic. Applied Contacta to the seat and positioned it. Knocked off the PE adjuster handle. Couldn't fit the 'V' frame and the i/p neatly. Practiced my Anglo-Saxon a bit. I can understand your feelings. I wonder sometimes if kit manufacturers sometimes push the envelope too far with adding such microscopic detail where it’ll never be seen again. I get the idea of enjoying the process of building, but sometimes less is definitely more, especially at scales smaller than 1/48th. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, CedB said: I touched up the PE and knocked off the lever on the lever - threw it in the bin and painted the plastic. Applied Contacta to the seat and positioned it. Knocked off the PE adjuster handle. Couldn't fit the 'V' frame and the i/p neatly. Practiced my Anglo-Saxon a bit. Shoulda gone camping... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, CedB said: threw it in the bin and painted the plastic. Having just about completely lost the mythical mojo since finishing the Roden T-28, I looked at the pile of started kits' sitting on the 'shelf of one day' for something simple to get on with & picked up the Eduard 72nd duo pack of Spit XVI's. Opened the box & immediately thought 'that was a mistake' as I'd forgotten about all the flippin p.e. in there. But looking at the destructions I realised you have to cut plastic bits off to use the stuff, so I did the same & painted the plastic...!! Hope you get your fingers and thumbs untangled soon Ced! K 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Yep, throwing the PE in the bin and painting the plastic was my experience too. I committed the folly of trying to fit the Arma hurricane undercarriage legs in the same way as the Airfix kit. It didn't work out very well but then I am a clumsy d fool. Would love to see a shot of your ceiling Ced, it sounds very old school! Richie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RichieW said: Would love to see a shot of your ceiling Ced, it sounds very old school! Ced's ceiling is the reason Bath will soon be called 'Ceiling' instead, really the best attraction in the city. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Sorry Ced I had to chuckle at the upwind Cous Cous. 🤣 it was my old dears 80th on Saturday and we actually got to see each other. Back garden BBQ set up by my brother. There was a lot of gusty food that afternoon. 🤣😂 luckily the rain stayed off. The Hurri’s look great, all that tiny detail can be a pain but it’ll be worth it. Top stuff dear boy. 🥳 Johnny. ps. Belated happy birthday to Mrs B. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/7/2020 at 10:33 AM, CedB said: I'm hoping to get the magnifiers off soon… please, soon. Yes, very funny (if you weren't there). Mrs B looked at the weather and said "We can dress up warm - It'll be just like camping!" I hate camping. I touched up the PE and knocked off the lever on the lever - threw it in the bin and painted the plastic. Applied Contacta to the seat and positioned it. Knocked off the PE adjuster handle. Couldn't fit the 'V' frame and the i/p neatly. Practiced my Anglo-Saxon a bit. I'm all fingers and thumbs this morning so I think I'd better leave well alone… Hello Ced Magnifiers are very usefull and this will became addictive !! Oh so you also tried something like the BBQ in a gale ?? Flying couscous ?? The whole bowl or all the grains ??? Bit by bits ? Blowed by the wind it can be pushed in some... Let's say disturbing places... I hate camping too... Winds, rain, snoring in the tent just 1 meter aside, and some other disturbing noises... The only times I practised camping was on airshow, behind the hangars and totally made off from foreign beverages testings Now you know why I do prefer making 1/48 kits... And even in that scale, I'm swearing a lot... Practising some foreign languages.... I('s more funny... And SWMBO did'nt understand.... Give it a try !! Sincerely. CC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 07/07/2020 at 09:41, Heather Kay said: I can understand your feelings. I wonder sometimes if kit manufacturers sometimes push the envelope too far with adding such microscopic detail where it’ll never be seen again. I get the idea of enjoying the process of building, but sometimes less is definitely more, especially at scales smaller than 1/48th. Thanks Heather - less is indeed more! On 07/07/2020 at 09:44, perdu said: Shoulda gone camping... Yep. Not sure which I hate more! On 07/07/2020 at 13:30, keefr22 said: Having just about completely lost the mythical mojo since finishing the Roden T-28, I looked at the pile of started kits' sitting on the 'shelf of one day' for something simple to get on with & picked up the Eduard 72nd duo pack of Spit XVI's. Opened the box & immediately thought 'that was a mistake' as I'd forgotten about all the flippin p.e. in there. But looking at the destructions I realised you have to cut plastic bits off to use the stuff, so I did the same & painted the plastic...!! Hope you get your fingers and thumbs untangled soon Ced! K Thanks Keith Still a bit tangled today - see below. 21 hours ago, RichieW said: Yep, throwing the PE in the bin and painting the plastic was my experience too. I committed the folly of trying to fit the Arma hurricane undercarriage legs in the same way as the Airfix kit. It didn't work out very well but then I am a clumsy d fool. Would love to see a shot of your ceiling Ced, it sounds very old school! Richie Thanks Richie I'm sure Procopious fitted the undercarriage on his after assembling the wings and did a video, but I can't find it now Pictures of the ceiling? Pretty hard to take but here's a taste: The room's a bit bigger than the one I had when 'a lad' and there's plenty of room left! 19 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: Ced's ceiling is the reason Bath will soon be called 'Ceiling' instead, really the best attraction in the city. Thanks Cookie 18 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Sorry Ced I had to chuckle at the upwind Cous Cous. 🤣 it was my old dears 80th on Saturday and we actually got to see each other. Back garden BBQ set up by my brother. There was a lot of gusty food that afternoon. 🤣😂 luckily the rain stayed off. The Hurri’s look great, all that tiny detail can be a pain but it’ll be worth it. Top stuff dear boy. 🥳 Johnny. ps. Belated happy birthday to Mrs B. Thanks Johnny - gusty food? What, beans? Mrs B says thanks too 6 hours ago, corsaircorp said: Hello Ced Magnifiers are very usefull and this will became addictive !! Oh so you also tried something like the BBQ in a gale ?? Flying couscous ?? The whole bowl or all the grains ??? Bit by bits ? Blowed by the wind it can be pushed in some... Let's say disturbing places... I hate camping too... Winds, rain, snoring in the tent just 1 meter aside, and some other disturbing noises... The only times I practised camping was on airshow, behind the hangars and totally made off from foreign beverages testings Now you know why I do prefer making 1/48 kits... And even in that scale, I'm swearing a lot... Practising some foreign languages.... I('s more funny... And SWMBO did'nt understand.... Give it a try !! Sincerely. CC CC you crack me up! I have some 1/48 kits in the stash so try it I will! I thought I shouldn't let the 'Expert' internals beat me so I tried just fitting the i/p: It beat me. See how it's fouling on the frame on the left? There's a gap in the seam too. Dry fit, sand, repeat in my future… 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I love those ceilings Ced!!!! You even have a dogfight from the Battle of Britain going on. That has put a big smile on my face, thanks for posting those! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CedB said: I'm sure Procopious fitted the undercarriage on his after assembling the wings and did a video, but I can't find it now Heres the link. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235048950-tired-old-puffers-at-the-last-ditch-3-x-172-arma-hurricanes/ edit: Just found it on page 1. Dennis Edited July 8, 2020 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, RichieW said: I love those ceilings Ced!!!! You even have a dogfight from the Battle of Britain going on. That has put a big smile on my face, thanks for posting those! Thanks Richie The BoB group will get extended soon! 1 hour ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Heres the link. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235048950-tired-old-puffers-at-the-last-ditch-3-x-172-arma-hurricanes/ edit: Just found it on page 1. Dennis Thanks Dennis - perfect, that's the one I remembered. I'd better read through that to see what problems PC had… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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