SilverGhost Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Hello! 4 months I did not build the models. While the whole country was quarantined and on vacation and modellers actively building models, I was busy with work. I need to build this model for my friend as a gift, which served on it in 2003-2004 My task is to assemble simply as is, without modifications, out of the box with etched rails. This is old Combrig model from 2000s 187 resin parts and 82 PE parts Quality is good, but PE is simple but the instruction is just awful. It’s easier to understand the Mayan script than this. I have 3 models of Kashin-class destroyers: early version - Obraztsovy Modified Kashin class - Slavny last version of Kashin class - Smetlivy as Project 010710 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 I started build last week and have some progress Some facts about this model: - stern is made a little wrong - there are no most of portholes and doors on superstructures - PE deatils of masts are poorly assembled - there are no some details on the wheelhouse - the pieces of the main superstructure do not match in width Welcome to all fans of resin models and the Soviet Navy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutcastJoel Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 It looks like you are making good progress despite the the shortcomings of the kit! I am a little suprised at the lack of detail on the kit. Given that they cost roughly the same as many other resin kits that seems a little dispointing. Cool prototype though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, OutcastJoel said: It looks like you are making good progress despite the the shortcomings of the kit! I am a little suprised at the lack of detail on the kit. Given that they cost roughly the same as many other resin kits that seems a little dispointing. Cool prototype though. I think, that it is a problem of early models of Combrig from 2000 to 2012 years. I have modern Combrig models - 1/700 USSR light cruiser Chervona Ukraine (Svetlana-class) and 1/350 Russian Empire destroyer Schastlivy (Novik-class) - and they don't have such problems. Instructions are good, details have numbers. And these models of Kashin-class destroyers are pretty cheap - 30-40$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutcastJoel Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 @SilverGhost that is good to know, they have a fair number kits that look interesting, I guess I just need to check the release date before I buy anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, OutcastJoel said: @SilverGhost that is good to know, they have a fair number kits that look interesting, I guess I just need to check the release date before I buy anything You're right! for example the newest model of Combig - German battleship Elsass 1/350 has 30-pages instruction, 3 big PE plates, brass barrels, masts, yards, shafts, propellers and over and looks like very beautifull! But the price is not small - more than 300$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Making stand (Trumpeter - Master Tools display case) Assemble 2 Uran-launchers, radars (each radar has 10 details), 2 Volna-N AA-launchers, masts and some over details Edited June 26, 2020 by SilverGhost 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Following this with interest. This era of Soviet cold war warships is a favourite of mine. I have long term plans to build something (maybe a Kotlin or Krupny) in 1/350. No kits available yet though, but I'm looking at the old Trumpeter Chinese Luda 051 class as a starting point! The Luda hull was derived from the Neustrashimy, which I believe also influenced the Kotlins. Love the lines of the Kashin. Good luck with your build! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) On 6/27/2020 at 10:32 AM, Terry1954 said: Following this with interest. This era of Soviet cold war warships is a favourite of mine. I have long term plans to build something (maybe a Kotlin or Krupny) in 1/350. No kits available yet though, but I'm looking at the old Trumpeter Chinese Luda 051 class as a starting point! The Luda hull was derived from the Neustrashimy, which I believe also influenced the Kotlins. Love the lines of the Kashin. Good luck with your build! Terry Thank you Terry! The theme of Soviet ships of the Cold War is extensive and interesting, but poorly represented by models, which causes difficulties. I hope in the future Trumpeter and Combrig will release new models of this era. My friend build beautifull model of Kotlin-class destroyer Soznatelny 1/75 Andrew Edited June 28, 2020 by SilverGhost edit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 It is odd that this era of the Soviet Navy is so poorly represented - you can get a decent (I think - never built one!) Udaloy or Sovremenniy, but no Krivak, Kotlin, Kashin or Kara. Always interesting - speaking as someone who once had to learn all these ships and their radars / weapons from blurred intelligence photos - to learn the real names of things I half-remember by their NATO names (SA-N-1 Goa, SS-N-2C Styx, etc.). Isn’t Smetlivy the one modified to carry SS-N-25 Switchblade, and still in service? [Sorry, don’t know Russian name for the weapon!] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 That model of Smetlivy looks rather good Andrew! I'd love to know where your friend obtained the plans? Very curious about the SS-N-25 (now Kh-35?) conversion Crisp. I had no idea Kotlin's were still in service. Must Google that one! Terry PS. Have to agree on your observations re lack of kits on these. A decent Kynda would do as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Terry, she’s a Kashin still in service, not a Kotlin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Yep, checked that, she took the name forward in good naval tradition! Still amazed that Kashin's are plodding on although in a much updated state I'm sure. I think I caused my own confusion here. My reference to your friends model should have read "Soznatelny" not "Smetlivy"! Keen to understand where he obtained the plans for Soznatelny. Excellent thread here Andrew. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: It is odd that this era of the Soviet Navy is so poorly represented - you can get a decent (I think - never built one!) Udaloy or Sovremenniy, but no Krivak, Kotlin, Kashin or Kara. Always interesting - speaking as someone who once had to learn all these ships and their radars / weapons from blurred intelligence photos - to learn the real names of things I half-remember by their NATO names (SA-N-1 Goa, SS-N-2C Styx, etc.). Isn’t Smetlivy the one modified to carry SS-N-25 Switchblade, and still in service? [Sorry, don’t know Russian name for the weapon!] In Russian SS-N-25 is Х-35 Уран or Kh-35 Uran, Nato designation of missile AS-20 Kayak. Smetlivy only the one of Kashin-class, who carry SS-N-25 And only the one, who was upgraded to project 01090 in the late 80s. In total, it was planned to upgrade 5 ships, modernization began at 2 (Smetlivy and Sposobny), and completed only Smetlivy at 1995 but several works continued to 2002. Sposobny was started to upgrade at 1987, but not finished. And sold for scrap to India in 1994. Sposobny towed from modernization at navy yard to demilitarization for future sold for scrap 1993-04-28 At 3 over ships - modernization to project 01090 was't started - Strogiy, Krasnyy Kavkaz, Krasnyy Krym Smetlivy is still in service. Last year the ship celebrated the anniversary of 50 years in service from 1969. In 2019 he made his last cruise for service to Mediterranean sea. And in 2020 the ship will be retired from service and became museum ship at Sevastopol. 🎉 In 2019 there were plans to convert Kerch (last Kara-class cruiser) and Smetlivy into museum ships, but finance was found only to preserve the Smetlivy . Unfortunately, Kerch was towed for scrap at Inkerman 2020-04-24. More photos of Kerch from scrapyard https://zen.yandex.ru/media/nefotograf/bpk-kerch-otpravlen-na-metallolom-tak-i-ne-stav-muzeem-5ea31f6813c60a44c4f2cf38 Edited June 29, 2020 by SilverGhost edit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Fascinating photos - I always thought the Karas were fine-looking ships, so some of those are very sad; no ship looks good when rusting to death. I led a detachment of 2 Sea Kings on the back of a tanker up to the Barents in the early-90s and took a zillion photos (including poor old Kursk, plus the early stages of Kuznetsov's sea trials); I'll see if I can find any of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: That model of Smetlivy looks rather good Andrew! I'd love to know where your friend obtained the plans? Very curious about the SS-N-25 (now Kh-35?) conversion Crisp. I had no idea Kotlin's were still in service. Must Google that one! Terry PS. Have to agree on your observations re lack of kits on these. A decent Kynda would do as well! My friend make his own drawings using plans of Soznatelnyy (Kotlin-class destroyer) from open sources, many photos, Russian naval forum http://forums.airbase.ru/viewforum.php?id=25 and may be information from naval archive. I think that Kotlin-class destroyers are not secret today and everybody can go to the Russian Naval Archive for information on them. And they were all retired from service by 1992-1993 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: That model of Smetlivy looks rather good Andrew! I'd love to know where your friend obtained the plans? A very impressive model and an equally distinctive and different display case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 Smetlivy at Sevastopol April 29 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Richard E said: A very impressive model and an equally distinctive and different display case. This model of Soznatelny wins many Shipmodelling Championships in Russia, Belarus and other European countries Wins NAVIGA World Shipmodelling Championship and NAVIGA Europe Shipmodelling Championship This model is not only a stand model, but also a running one, and it won water competitions in Europe Author (left) with his model at World Shipmodelling Championship NS 2019 at Hungary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 model of Soznatelnyy 1/75 at speed For more information about Kotlin-class destroyers - you can see here - photos, plans and other http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/06/t60097--eskadrennye-minonostsy-pr-56-i-modifikatsii-tipa-spokojnyj.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, SilverGhost said: For more information about Kotlin-class destroyers - you can see here - photos, plans and other http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/06/t60097--eskadrennye-minonostsy-pr-56-i-modifikatsii-tipa-spokojnyj.html Thank you Andrew! That link has so many helpful photos, plans and diagrams. I now have no excuse not to attempt a Kotlin in 1/350! You can see my original ideas shared here. A pipe dream then, maybe not so now........... Meanwhile your Kashin will inspire me on I'm sure! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Terry1954 said: Thank you Andrew! That link has so many helpful photos, plans and diagrams. I now have no excuse not to attempt a Kotlin in 1/350! You can see my original ideas shared here. A pipe dream then, maybe not so now........... Meanwhile your Kashin will inspire me on I'm sure! Terry I answered at your topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverGhost Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 Small review of Microdesign photoetched detail set for Sovermenny-class destroyers 1/700 I will use for Smetlivy railings, which are not included at Combig PE for model 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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