Kerfkiller Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Started on this kit, will finish to represent RNZAF Sunderland which were Mk3 Will add as build progresses 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorby Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I think you may need to change the title of this thread to 1/72 rather than 1/48. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfkiller Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 Ahh Woops get confused, got KRAFT syndrome...... cheers G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I have this kit in the mighty stash will follow along and maybe start mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I have this kit, and despite the endless wailing and wringing of hands over the 'too-deep' panel lines, it's a nicely-detailed kit that goes together well and is light-years ahead of the ancient Airfix effort. Good luck with yours - looks like a good start! Regards, Jason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I'm guessing this will be a 490(NZ) squadron aircraft as they operated out of West Africa. I hope so anyway, it is an option for my old Airfix kit & I'd be keen to see someone do one. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfkiller Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 hi thanks for the feed back, yes i intend to do the kit as 490 (NZ) Squadron aircraft especially as they were camo painted, not white like they were in NZ (do not like painting white), My brother Joined the rnzaf prior to the phase out in the '60's, will post a few more pics in due course, getting to grips with the turrets and engines George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfkiller Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Hi Guys making progress slowly here are a few more pictures Rear turret Motors in progress In cowlings anchor etc in place Front turret Front windscreen 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeddahbill Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Looking very good so far! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/14/2020 at 4:19 PM, Kerfkiller said: i intend to do the kit as 490 (NZ) Squadron aircraft especially as they were camo painted, not white like they were in NZ Just an FYI, the kit you are building is fully a Mk I Sunderland, and does not represent in any form a Mk III Sunderland - Sorry, different Engines Hull/Wings etc etc..... 490 Sqn started flying Catalina's in West Africa (Jui) 1943 490 (NZ) Sqn Jui - Catalina 490 (NZ) Sqn Jui - Catalina 1 To add another note, the Mk III's 490 Sqn did fly, were TSS on wings/top of Fuselage, and white for the rest per photo below link below 490 (NZ) Sqn Jui - Sunderland Mk III The Mk III Sunderland's, didn't arrive in West Africa till about 1944, by this time definitely in white. By this time all surviving Mk I's were also wearing white. If you have your heart set on your Mk I with a Kiwi connection, I might suggest a 95 Squadron Mk I, or even a 204 Squadron Mk I (decals in the kit for that one) 95 Sqn Sunderland at Freetown West Africa (per Wiki) 95 Sqn at Freetown Below is a a History which might interest you especially for 95/490 Squadron's New Zealander's in 95 & 490 Sqns Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfkiller Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Hi Alan, Thanks for the info, since starting the kit i have got my hands on a MK3 so now i know that the MK1 has Kiwi connections will build accordingly especially since the decals are in the kit, give me more practice which i need plenty of. By the way what does TSS mean ? regards George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 TSS Temperate Sea Scheme. Extra Dark Sea Grey and Dark Slate Grey on the topside. Underside could be Aluminium, Sky Grey, Sky, Black or White depending on the date, role and aircraft type. If you have a biplane the topside of the lower wings may have been painted In Dark Sea Grey and Light Slate Grey in “shadow shading”. Regards, Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kerfkiller said: By the way what does TSS mean ? Hi George, TSS = Temperate Sea Scheme, RAF camouflage on aircraft operating over the sea, consisting of Extra Dark Sea Grey/Dark Slate Grey/Sky, up until some time in 1943 when it changed to just Extra Dark Sea Grey/Dark Slate Grey/White. 490 (NZ) Sqn Sunderland Mk III's would have had Extra Dark Sea Grey & Dark Slate Grey on the upper Wings/Tail planes and top of fuselage 490 Mk III in Africa after VE Day 490 Sqn Sunderland Mk III Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 The camouflage on flying boats had changed , certainly by 1944, - to just Extra Dark Sea Grey on purely top planform rather than TSS. This would include all white engine cowlings and white leading edges. This does appear to be the case for the aircraft in the photo above. It should be added that the undersides were gloss White and the sides matt regardless of the top. Aircraft were probably not repainted until major overhaul. This would certainly be true of those overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham Boak said: The camouflage on flying boats had changed , certainly by 1944, - to just Extra Dark Sea Grey on purely top planform rather than TSS. This would include all white engine cowlings and white leading edges. This does appear to be the case for the aircraft in the photo above. These two links of the Same 270 Sqn Sunderland at Apapa (Freetown) have the unpainted collector cowling rings, and looks certainty to be in uppers of EDSG/DSG/White (Excerpt from Flying Boat Queen) - I knew the author of the transcript/photo, who had been seconded from 490 Sqn to 270 Sqn as 2nd Dickie (Pilot) 270 Sqn Sunderland 270 Sqn Sunderland 2 490 Sqn Sunderland Mk III at Jui with Un-Painted Cowling Collector Rings and possibly EDSG/DSG on top 490 Sqn Sunderland Mk III at Jui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jur Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Is it a boat? Is it a plane? No, it is a Sunderland! What a fantastic machine, and your build is looking really nice so far. I will be following you with anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfkiller Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Hi thanks for the feedback regarding the color schemes etc . i was hoping to avoid white as mine always looks crap!!, face the fear and do it anyway cheers George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Kerfkiller said: Hi thanks for the feedback regarding the color schemes etc . i was hoping to avoid white as mine always looks crap!!, face the fear and do it anyway cheers George Hi George, For your Italeri Mk III Sunderland, if you are wanting to avoid the White Schemes, and still do an RNZAF Scheme, you can do one of the 4 Mk III Transports, that arrived in New Zealand late 1944. They were in the Temperate Sea Scheme. The markings can be obtained from Old Model Decals in New Zealand. I'm currently building one in the Journey's End" GB RNZAF Mk III Sunderland Transport Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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