DMC Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 21 hours ago, Moa said: Beautiful work Thank you, Moa. High praise indeed coming from you. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Experimenting with seats. Fourteen in the cabin unless it’s military, which it is not, and only a corner of the headrest will be seen. Still, unable to resist a little problem solving, i’m up to four made and think i’ve worked out how to make the remaining ten with a minimum of fuss. I’ve re-contoured the moulds a little a vaced a set of cushions. The moulds are CAed to a piece of that abrasive screen to keep them from wandering about. That little bit of webbing will be trimmed away. I used .030 styrene for this set. In the order in which they were made. Number three in the full recline position, annoying hell out of the passenger in four. Except for the fact that I like doing this stuff, I could have saved a lot of time by using curtains. As in this photo. Thanks for dropping in Dennis 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) These are very good, Dennis. You're great at a bit of mould tinkering and lateral thinking! Rather more sophisticated than my efforts. 🤠 See what I mean about the spar position in relation to the 2nd row? I think Revell has moved it to suit the model's requirements rather than scale accuracy. But I don't think it's worth interfering with as it's a crucial part of the structure and works well. I can tell you from observation of the Ventura that it won't be seen without surgical equipment! Did you spot the little jump seat on the rear bulkhead wall? If you are opening the door then that's going to be the most visible item, and the last row. 👍 There's a row of 5 or 6 "beads" along the fuselage sides above the window line. Any ideas? Air vents perhaps? There's one given on each side of the Ventura right by the astrodome that could be used as reference I guess. Little beads of ca or pva glue......? Edited July 8, 2020 by rob Lyttle Addition 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: These are very good Thanks, Rob, I was going to follow your lead and just do a simplified version to save time but wouldn’t have saved that much so my curiosity got the best of me. Did follow your lead after noting that you installed the kit flooring. I hadn’t intended to but thought that the kit floor with a removable flooring overlay might be easier to work with so made up another, thinner, floor and that gas worked out okay. Not going to mess with the spar. Looks okay where it is and, as you point out, won’t be seen anyway. Yes about the jump seat. Still undecided about the door. You mean these beads? Funny, but I was going to ask you about them. At first thought they might be lights. But why? Just look like metal bumps . What about bolt covers for the interior overhead luggage rack? They would require heavy fasteners. No more ideas. Do you know of Sidney Cotton? Pity there isn’t an Electra 12 kit, https://www.ptleader.com/stories/wwii-spy-plane-ready-for-takeoff,68259 Dennis Edited July 9, 2020 by DMC Photo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 I'm going to get the Ali tape on the fuselage sides before doing the windows. Top and bottom can be done after the join up. I'll cut the apertures once I get the metal buffed on, and the wing root needs clearing out too. This is better fun than arranging furniture ‼️ 😎 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just taking a break from making a kind of stencil (ladder with very wide, flat’ rungs) for spacing the window evenly al in one go. Did you measure and cut one at a time or what? Always interesting when you do that foil thing you. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 I'm trying to remember, Dennis! I did them some time ago before putting the kit away. It was before I got the drawings, and I'm pleased to say that they match up well. I took the the front windows supplied with the kit as being in the right place. They agreed with everything I could see on pictures etc. And I drew two lines parallel towards the back. I established the door position on the port side, and the rear window is just in front of the doorway. The 2nd window back - the 1st one that needs cutting - can be positioned relative to the spar slot. And then it's even spacings between. Drawn on In pencil. The window size is taken from the kit one. Visible there is the other kit window aperture in white. This needs filling in and smoothing before the new ones are cut. There's also a little window on the starboard side that needs the same. I used the kit transparency to blank that one The starboard side spacing is copied from the port. Once you're convinced that the pencil lines are correct, you can drill them! I marked drilling points inside the outline for each corner to be drilled out to 2.5mm bit size. Now I wish I'd gone for a bigger final bit size which would produce a bigger radius in the corners. 3mm at least. Then do lines of small holes inside the window outlines, then chop them out with a good blade cutting through the holes. As long as you're inside the lines the plastic can be filed away, straightened up and adjusted Any help?? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Thanks, Rob, I’ve taken all the above on board. It’s all down to the seat/widow lineup. Can’t move the windows so the seat location might deviate from the plans we are using. The kit spar location sort of screws things up a bit. Taking my time with this, too easy to mess things up. Added the inclined part of the floor today and a bulkhead but moving away from opening up the cabin door so it ends there. No mirrors, vanity cabinet or mini loo rolls. I think cabin windows should show some curtain. Most of them do in the photos Plenty to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I’ve found polymer clay to be quite useful as a modelling aid. Moulds for plunge moulding and vacuum forming can be sculpted and polished to a smooth finish for canopies, etc. A small piece pressed into the kits fuselage, removed and baked serves as a pattern for an internal bulkhead. Not trustingly my freehand abilities, nor my vision, anymore I made up a template to use in locating the windows in the correct position on both sides. Inclined floor, seat guides rails and bulkhead. The seats will probably need re-positioning after the windows are cut out. Thanks for dropping in Dennis 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Well, after the better part of the morning, the port side windows are cut out. Measured, re-measured, plans and photos checked repeat on the starboard side. A bit nerve racking I admit and mistakes can be repaired but getting it right the first time is a mo jo boost. Getting the wind to fit will be a challenge as they will all be slightly different in size. Giving the Lodestar a couple days rest as the Camel needs a little attention. Thanks for dropping in Dennis 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 That looks about right to me ‼️😊 What sort of noise does a camel make when it's pining for attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, rob Lyttle said: What sort of noise does a camel make when it's pining for attention? Something like this. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=YouTube+camel+moan&docid=608012191892770182&mid=9114249D8487203D79AA9114249D8487203D79AA&view=detail&FORM=VIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, rob Lyttle said: That looks about right to me Good! Went back over your explanation but stayed away from the corners with the drill bit. Got close but finished them off with a small round file and a scalpel. Interested to see how you handle the windows, and paint. Went back to the beginning and read everything over. Did you really outfit the loo? Thought it was a windup😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 5 hours ago, DMC said: windup😆 😎 5 hours ago, DMC said: Interested to see how you handle the windows, and paint. I've had some practice with the windows on the Ventura, and all I can tell you is "one at a time!" You're right they'll all prove to be slightly different, or most of them. I've got clear styrene but I need to get some glue that is more forgiving on the clear surfaces. And not be clumsy. My tendency is to fix them from the inside with the outside of the fuselage on the mat, so when the window is pushed in, it goes on the mat and finishes flush with the outer surface. It never is as simple as that, though 🧐 Paint?? I've no idea what the finished decor will be, but bare metal will be the main style. Inside will be Washes of...... something pastel and a bit of care on the headrests. I painted curtains before, just streaky brush stroke yellow ochre mix, and they look OK. That's all I've got so far Ah, toilet windows. One is drilled and filed to shape already - it's right in the modification area! I've filled them with PVA on the Ventura and I'm happy with the look so probably do the same on the Lodestar 😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrfan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I've read how you drill lots of holes to make each window so I'll share my method. Pick a point on the centre of the window, stab in a modelling knife with thin blade, or a small triangular file, then twist around opening out the hole until you get close to edges. Continue to open out hole with round files into corners then tidy up the sides with straight file. Overall a much quicker process. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 11 hours ago, DMC said: Thought it was a windup Thought you were winding Moa up about outfitting the “washroom” up and it being better than his. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 8 hours ago, dcrfan said: I'll share my method Thanks for that. Probably a few ways to manage it. My main concern was with the spacing and evenness of the row of openings. The template was very useful as both sides match up. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrfan Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I agree the template is a great idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Hi guys Just caught up again, great work on the seats Dennis and the tail plane /rear fuselage , wow . Great to see some Foil going on Rob too. Great work fellas. All the best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, bigbadbadge said: Great work fellas Another nice morale bump from you, Chris. Very much appreciated. Stay safe Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Starboard side done! A window seat for everyone. Colour of seats and aisle carpet? Maroon perhaps. Thanks for dropping in. Dennis 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 You guys are an inspiration. The level of skill is remarkable, as well as your commitment. Your kit surgeries should be featured in episodes of Dr. Kildare, Ben Casey, and House. I concur! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Moa said: You guys are an inspiration Thank you, Moa. Incidentally, I remember watching those programs back in the early ‘60s. Except House which is more recent of course. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Moa said: episodes of Dr. Kildare "Would ye like a cup of tea, Dr. Cameron?" 4 hours ago, Moa said: You guys are an inspiration. I think we can wear THAT with pride ‼️😇 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Moa said: You guys are an inspiration. The level of skill is remarkable, as well as your commitment. Your kit surgeries should be featured in episodes of Dr. Kildare, Ben Casey, and House. General Hospital? St. Elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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