Enzo the Magnificent Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Post your reference information here. Please note if posting artwork or photos you must either be the copyright holder or have the copyright holder's permission to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) Greetings all, Just been looking around for information and came across this reference concerning internal colours, the link is for part 3 and the Corsair is near the bottom. However all 3 parts are an interesting read for us paint nerds out there and is highly enlightening! https://www.ipmsstockholm.se/home/interior-colours-of-us-aircraft-1941-45-part-iii/ Next is a couple of links for Royal Navy Corsairs that may be of interest to those doing FAA types, first up some nice colour shots https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/faa-corsairs-in-color.17962/#lg=post-484764&slide=6 Followed by some nice general pics https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Corsair/RN.html Hope this is of help to some of you! Cheers now Bob Edited May 28, 2020 by moaning dolphin Clarification! 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 21 hours ago, moaning dolphin said: ...Royal Navy Corsairs that may be of interest to those doing FAA types, first up some nice colour shots https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/faa-corsairs-in-color.17962/#lg=post-484764&slide=6 There's some really cool diorama possibilities in there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Whilst blindly whiling away my break time in work I came across this site when looking for engine detail. Havent explored it fully but looks quite comprehensive! https://www.jdsf4u.be/ Cheers now Bob 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Laidlaw Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, moaning dolphin said: Whilst blindly whiling away my break time in work I came across this site when looking for engine detail. Havent explored it fully but looks quite comprehensive! https://www.jdsf4u.be/ Cheers now Bob Crikey, that's a great find - thank you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 While browsing I've found this book http://www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/Warren_Russell.htm Volume 3 is the Corsair special but I have no idea about availability etc. Maybe someone knows more. Still on the Kiwi Theme have a look HERE for paint details, bit more complicated than it seems. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, SleeperService said: While browsing I've found this book http://www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/Warren_Russell.htm Volume 3 is the Corsair special but I have no idea about availability etc. Maybe someone knows more. Still on the Kiwi Theme have a look HERE for paint details, bit more complicated than it seems. Just bear in mind that the amount of "Re-Painted" RNZAF Corsairs, if they ALL existed (?) was a mere handful. There were some F4U-1A's repainted in overall Glossy Sea Blue, prior to operational use. The Forward section of NZ5272 was one of those repaints used to build the famous Spliced RNZAF Corsair NZ5272/NZ5307 NZ5272/NZ5307 Generally RNZAF Corsairs operated in the colours they wore on arrival, either being USN 4 tone scheme or Glossy Sea Blue Also bear in Mind the WWII RNZAF operated two sets of Corsairs. One set in the forward areas, the other set in New Zealand as advanced trainers, I'm not aware of any repaints on those either, though more a possibility, though No Photos thus far? I have only come across thus far, two actual photos of "Re-Painted" RNZAF Corsairs in the forward areas, being NZ5347, and NZ5350 - Struggle Buggy NZ5347 NZ5350 - Struggle Buggy Both Photos are RNZAF Museum Credited Both these aircraft had the fuselage re-painted in Glossy Sea Blue, with fuselage belly/lower Tail in Insignia White, upper wings/tails Semi Gloss Sea Blue/under wing outer panels Intermediate Blue Both airframes were serving in the forward areas. NZ5347 was my subject in a GB here on BM a couple of years ago NZ5347 Build - Pacific GB I have not seen any photos of any other "Re-Paints", this is a link from the Warren Russell book of a Repainted RNZAF Corsair, showing a Repaint with NZ Duck Egg Blue lower - I checked with the RNZAF Museum on that, they had not come across any Corsair painted like that? Corsair Re-Paint 4 (image used for illustration only) If you are doing an RNZAF Corsair, your best choice is USN 4 Tone or GSB Hope that helps? Regards Alan 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 This will be my choice for my RNZAF bird, taken from the link quoted from the Russel book... "RNZAF Re-paint Scheme 3 - as identified by Russell, was Glossy Sea Blue on the upper surfaces; Non Spec. Intermediate Blue on the outer lower wings, with Non Specular Insignia White undersides (under fuselage, horizontal stabilizers and inner wings to hinge joint)" I notice on Struggle Buggy, how the leading edge of the wing has the Glossy Sea Blue extending a bit underneath, or is that my imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:32 PM, LDSModeller said: If you are doing an RNZAF Corsair, your best choice is USN 4 Tone or GSB Hope that helps? Regards Alan It does indeed. Thank You once again Alan. There's also this which has lots of Royal Navy Corsair goodness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, John Masters said: "RNZAF Re-paint Scheme 3 - as identified by Russell, was Glossy Sea Blue on the upper surfaces; Non Spec. Intermediate Blue on the outer lower wings, with Non Specular Insignia White undersides (under fuselage, horizontal stabilizers and inner wings to hinge joint)" I notice on Struggle Buggy, how the leading edge of the wing has the Glossy Sea Blue extending a bit underneath, or is that my imagination? Actually, if you re-read the Russell Drawing (Scheme 3), the upper Wings/Tail are actually "Semi Gloss Sea Blue (Semi Specular Sea Blue in USN parlance)", Not Glossy Sea Blue. On NZ5350 Struggle Buggy, yes the Upper Wing colour is also on the lower leading edge NZ5347 the upper photo, is the same scheme, except the Semi Specular Sea Blue does not wrap around leading edge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Many more NZ Corsairs to be found here in the RNZAF Museum Photo archive: https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz/fotoweb/archives/5003-Search-the-Collection/?q=corsair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 12:32 PM, LDSModeller said: USN 4 tone scheme I'm confused about the paint scheme, whether it was a tri-color paint scheme of Sea Blue, Intermediate Blue, and flat white or 4 colors as @LDSModeller referred to. I remember reading somewhere (sorry, can't find the page) that the tri-color paint scheme was in fact 4 colors. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I believe the Sea blue was both Specular and non-specular (i.e. gloss & semi-gloss or even more flat), but limited to leading edge & very upper surfaces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 11 hours ago, LDSModeller said: Not Glossy Sea Blue. Not to worry. By the time I am finished it will be a semi matte/satin finish. 5 hours ago, Johnson said: I'm confused about the paint scheme Me too...3 or 4 colours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 hours ago, alt-92 said: RNZAF Museum Photo archive: Check out the cowing on image PR6755 in that link. Multi-coloured, or made up of parts would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 6/1/2020 at 5:05 AM, Johnson said: I'm confused about the paint scheme, whether it was a tri-color paint scheme of Sea Blue, Intermediate Blue, and flat white or 4 colors as @LDSModeller referred to. I remember reading somewhere (sorry, can't find the page) that the tri-color paint scheme was in fact 4 colors. Is this correct? Here's a post that quotes lots of other posts with lots of info about USN Sea Blues and the tri-color scheme: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 10 hours ago, John Masters said: Check out the cowing on image PR6755 in that link. Multi-coloured, or made up of parts would be my guess. For those building RNZAF Corsairs from WWII, the RNZAF was attached to the US Navy, coming under command of the Admiral Commanding Pacific Forces. Bearing in mind that whilst the US Supply lines were generally good at having replacement aircraft/parts, there were times when USN/USMC and RNZAF ground crews had to cannibalize parts from non-flyable aircraft. This rather bent RNZAF Corsair would have been parked for such things RNZAF Official - used with permission) This photo of the famous Spliced Corsair shows other aircraft sitting in a bone yard (RNZAF Official - used with permission) RNZAF Aircraft were "Owned" by Servicing Units (SU's) who "loaned" them to the Squadrons to fly them. There are many stories of Servicing Unit personnel scrounging bone yards like the above, but also the jungle surrounds too. Wally Ingham who served with 30 and 31 SU, wrote in his book "The Avengers" that often he and his SU buddies would scrounge the jungle, and were told on one occasion by MP's to keep out of the Jungle, as Japanese soldiers were still there. Another story had armed jeeps driving down the runway every so often hosing the jungle with mounted 50 Cal MG's to keep the Japanese hiding there at bay There are a number of photos showing RNZAF Corsairs with different panels, it was a fact of life. if you note the photo PR6755, the Corsair also has a replacement propeller with white stripes on it too I believe that propeller had once belonged to a US (Navy or Marine Corps - can't remember) Corsair. This wasn't confined to the wartime either, I recall living at RNZAF Wigram, when my Dad came home with the tail wheel off an RNZAF Harvard that had come to grief (crash landed), , After the airframe was SOC (Struck Off Charge) and probably reduced to produce, the tail wheel came to live with us mounted on our garden wheel barrow Regards Alan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, LDSModeller said: the tail wheel came to live with us mounted on our garden wheel barrow That's an excellent story. Thanks for the information. I like the spiced Corsair. That would be a good build sometime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, LDSModeller said: This rather bent RNZAF Corsair would have been parked for such things RNZAF Official - used with permission) Here you go @John Masters this is a good shot showing weathering on the belly. Edited June 2, 2020 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 4 hours ago, LDSModeller said: There are many stories of Servicing Unit personnel scrounging bone yards like the above, but also the jungle surrounds too. [....] This wasn't confined to the wartime either Very true Even the Dutch 322 Sqn deployment in Andir, in 1948/49, used to scrounge nearby Medan to get spare parts from the AU Spitfire VIII dump there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 21 hours ago, alt-92 said: I believe the Sea blue was both Specular and non-specular (i.e. gloss & semi-gloss or even more flat), but limited to leading edge & very upper surfaces. 10 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: Here's a post that quotes lots of other posts with lots of inflo about USN Sea Blues and the tri-color scheme: Many thanks alt-92 and Cookie for the useful input and the link. A complicated subject. Maybe I should be a chicken and stick to a late WW2 Dark Sea Blue! But I'm excited at the prospect of airbrushing the 3/4 color scheme, and I do like creating work for myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Don't know if this has been added here in Reference yet. Learning to Fly the F4U-1 series. https://youtu.be/PzLM4-grT2g Its a good primer on the flying of the Corsair. Check out the stall section starting at 12:30. I got this off Youtube, but own the DVD. The DVD has four films on it Corsair, Hellcat, Helldiver, and Avenger. Its a great series to check out if you ever get the chance to. Dennis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Im going to add this even though its a Grumman Bearcat. It shows a P&W R-2800 start up and the oil streaks and mess a radial engine creates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWHjyAj_iNg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Heres one in case anyone wanted something different. Its “Sally” a NMF rebuilt FG-1D Corsair done by Marine Air group 11 service squadron on Espiritu Santo as a hack. Though I have read its made up from both 1a’s and an FG as it was built from wrecked Corsairs. https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Corsair/F4U-Corsair/images/Goodyear-FG-1D-Corsair-SS11-Service-Squadron-11-MAG-11-Turtle-Bay-New-Hebrides-1943-02.jpg Dennis I have more photo’s if anyone is interested ? Edited July 8, 2020 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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