ERK Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) How can I repair and crinckled / orange peeled decal that has had a layer of Tamiya Laquer rattle can Flat coat, I noticed it today after the flat coat wa applied ab out a week ago, will putting on a few coats of micro sol break through the Laquer top coat to smooth out the decal? Kind regards. Edited May 19, 2020 by ERK Photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, ERK said: How can I repair and crinckled / orange peeled decal that has had a layer of Tamiya Laquer rattle can Flat coat, I noticed it today after the flat coat wa applied ab out a week ago, will putting on a few coats of micro sol break through the Laquer top coat to smooth out the decal? Kind regards. Please folks - give us some feedback and advice really struggling with this one - and I cant put a pic on tried via Twitter no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmovik Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ERK said: Please folks - give us some feedback and advice really struggling with this one - and I cant put a pic on tried via Twitter no good. Try uploading a photo to Imgur and then pasting the link here. Edited May 20, 2020 by Sturmovik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Here it is - 4 minutes ago, Sturmovik said: Try uploading a photo to Imgur and then pasting the link here. Thanks pic is up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 I used Tamiya TS80 clear flat Laquer rattle can over the top after letting the decs sit for about a week, they are perfectly fine everywhere else on the model - just really bad in the one area in the pic, I have since tried to put on a few layers of micro sol leaving about Two hours between layers to see if it will do any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark444 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I'm fairly certain the rattle can is where you went wrong. I have experienced this myself - sometimes the propellant in the can can "spurt" out ot times mixed with the paint/clear lacquer inside and can craze decals and paint. There is no fixing that decal as it will react to any form of paint strip activity (chemical or manual). You could try some tacky masking tape and try pulling the decal free of the kit, but then you'll be faced with another problem of a) finding the same squadron codes, and b) matching the flat lacquer so it doesn't look patchy. Sadly, I think there's only one fix for this, my friend: Strip and start again. Bummer ERK - I'm sure you put a ton of hard work into that. BEFORE YOU STRIP: Wait to see if anyone else has a differing fix that may work. They'd be a magician... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Shark444 said: I'm fairly certain the rattle can is where you went wrong. I have experienced this myself - sometimes the propellant in the can can "spurt" out ot times mixed with the paint/clear lacquer inside and can craze decals and paint. There is no fixing that decal as it will react to any form of paint strip activity (chemical or manual). You could try some tacky masking tape and try pulling the decal free of the kit, but then you'll be faced with another problem of a) finding the same squadron codes, and b) matching the flat lacquer so it doesn't look patchy. Sadly, I think there's only one fix for this, my friend: Strip and start again. Bummer ERK - I'm sure you put a ton of hard work into that. BEFORE YOU STRIP: Wait to see if anyone else has a differing fix that may work. They'd be a magician... Thank you kindly for replying, its a special build in my late farthers memory as he used to service them during the war, I have been working on her for about 6 months and had a few hick ups namely with the top coat and mixing Acrylic and Laquer. I ahve been trying to apply coats of micro sol ontop to see if that will do anything, also considered trying gentle polishing to see if that would smooth out what is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Somebody suggested to apply a few coats of flat clear over the top to seal it in even more - they said it might help to make it less obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadMax8 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Any decal setting solution will not penetrate the top layer, unfortunately. It looks as though your clear coat reacted negatively with the decals, which has been know to happen from time to time, especially with “hot” clear coats such as lacquer. I think you’ve got three options: Try adding additional flat coat and ignore it when displaying Try to remove the decal, and replace it with another. This might be tricky given it’s already been sealed, but not impossible. Sand the area down, repaint, and then replace the decal. Did these decals come with the kit? Someone may have an extra sheet due to using another option, or some aftermarket decals. It’s worth a shot! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, RadMax8 said: Any decal setting solution will not penetrate the top layer, unfortunately. It looks as though your clear coat reacted negatively with the decals, which has been know to happen from time to time, especially with “hot” clear coats such as lacquer. I think you’ve got three options: Try adding additional flat coat and ignore it when displaying Try to remove the decal, and replace it with another. This might be tricky given it’s already been sealed, but not impossible. Sand the area down, repaint, and then replace the decal. Did these decals come with the kit? Someone may have an extra sheet due to using another option, or some aftermarket decals. It’s worth a shot! Good luck! No they are the Eagle ones, I had destroyed the kit ones when I had a reaction between using acrylic brush top coat over Laquer spray coats, I had to strip it down then, this was befor doing a fresh paint job, its only on the one side where the decal has reacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulaero Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 If you have put so much lacquer on and it is well and truly dry try to polish it back with a very fine sanding stick, the three very fine grades on one stick variety. If it goes horribly wrong , say down to plastic I would just mask off the codes area and re paint. There are lots of inexpensive sheets of codes and you could make a feature of it, that it had just been transferred squadrons...……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just a small update - after looking at the damaged decals, I decided to try to weather them and give them worn look, I did this by using some very fine wet and dry along with some soapy water, I gently sanded over the decals on both sides till they looked slighty worn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) Here is an update including a few pics showing the damaged decals lightly sanded with fine wet and dry, and also the tops of the wings and fuselage before I noticed the damaged decal. Edited May 20, 2020 by ERK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 And now she has wings - 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark444 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 19 hours ago, ERK said: Here is an update including a few pics showing the damaged decals lightly sanded with fine wet and dry, and also the tops of the wings and fuselage before I noticed the damaged decal. The weathering via sanding is an interesting idea (I kinda like it!). You might want to try to tape them off with de-tacked tamiya masking tape and then shoot the black areas again where there are some white cracks, but overall a pretty good recovery! Keep going, we want to see more! 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just a few pics of the interior (I know it was a while ago) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bell209 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I have occasionally been able to remove decals with Micro Set (not Sol!). It takes many coats and lots of gentle persuasion with a brush. Worth a crack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 22, 2020 Author Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bell209 said: I have occasionally been able to remove decals with Micro Set (not Sol!). It takes many coats and lots of gentle persuasion with a brush. Worth a crack. I have already top coated over the top of the decals so they are sealed down, that is what caused the problem in the first place, the laquer top coat rattle can went on to heavy over that part of the model causing the problem, I have since used some fine wet and dry to smooth it a bit but without ruining the decal - its kind of a weatherd look. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hi all, I got round to putting a few coats of flat top coat laquer over mossie, this time I spent more time controling how much spray went on in one layer. Just a couple of pics showing the area I had trouble with after applying the fresh top coat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 Bomb bay doors fitted after weathering and same with entrance hatch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 Props/spinners and boarding ladder attached - 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 Hi all, after fitting the aerial (that is a story in its self - been fitted Three times) and finished a bit more wear and tear (weathering) I have decided to call the main build finished, just need to finish the Four 500 pounders that are being painted at the moment, then will have thier arming colour bands on them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Great work and save!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERK Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 hours ago, exdraken said: Great work and save!! Thank you kindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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