StephenCJ Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 This is going to be my student build in response to Martian's Hawker Horsley Vacuform Tutorial. Thanks for looking in. Stephen 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 It looks the perfect match for Martian's tutorial!!! Good choice! I'll be following both Teacher and Student!! Ciao Massimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, Massimo said: I'll be following both Teacher and Student!! And giving advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Some student work. Research: I am thinking I could use some parts from Airfix's Royal Aircraft Factory BE2c scout. They both used the same engine. Marked the parts to be cut out in pencil. Then they were cut out using a hobby knife and a pair of scissors. Look teacher SUCCESS. Thanks for looking. Stephen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) I’ve never seen a DH6 before even though it seems to be a pretty common trainer, according to Wikipedia there were over 2000 made. Any books I have skip straight from the D.H.5 to the D.H. 9. Looking at those wings you might do better using an Avro 504k assuming the chord is similar. The BE has much rounder tips. The upper engine decking looks similar and it did use the same engine as the Be. But you would at least get wheels and a prop and some struts from the Be. Edited May 16, 2020 by Marklo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Marklo I was only going to use the engine, prop, seats and wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, StephenCJ said: Marklo I was only going to use the engine, prop, seats and wheels. That makes total sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The DH6 is squarer than a square thing, methinks. Nice start! Regards, Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 According to my limited research they left it square to make it easy to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) Legend goes that the wing was made like that so it could be made in one continuous run and sawn off to length at the factory. Only half in jest, since it did make it easier to manufacture. Bear in mind too that the DH.6 was probably the world's first purpose-designed military trainer. It's a landmark aeroplane even if it did try to kill its pupils. Edited May 16, 2020 by Sabrejet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) It was nicknamed the clutching hand, which doesn’t sound too good. But apparently it was considered too easy to fly which is why the Avro 504 pretty much superceded it. Edited May 16, 2020 by Marklo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 The lesson for today has been completed. I have successfully sanded the fuselage halves, fuel tank halves, seats, cockpit floor and the other bit. Thanks for looking and thank you Martian for your lesson. Stephen 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 Got the next lesson completed. All the parts are now sanded and nearly ready for assembly, mmmmm. I will cut the cockpit out tonight. Have a look. I have placed Bert Hinkler (Airfix pilot) in the rear seat. He must be a giant or Phoenix have got the cockpit wrong. Thanks for having a look. Stephen 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonners Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 That's a nice, tidy kit. The one-piece wings will make them quite easy to deal with and using donor parts from the Airfix BE makes perfect sense for a first vacform. The one-piece fin and rudder might be better replaced with sanded plastic card, otherwise one side will be awkwardly convex, but that's quite straightforward. Congrats for getting stuck in! Looking good so far. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jonners said: The one-piece fin and rudder might be better replaced with sanded plastic card, otherwise one side will be awkwardly convex, but that's quite straightforward. I was wondering how to sort the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 That's what I do with my vacs. All the tail surfaces get replaced with items cut from stock sheet. However they were very thin anyway so in some cases it may be possible to sand down both sides of the kit item and get it acceptable. Ian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malpaso Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Well the new tool Airfix Tiger Moth has two pilots but one has no feet to fit in! Assuming the figure is 1/72 I think the issue is that a real pilot would jam his butt hard into the corner of the seat, and in a less reclined attitude? However perhaps a solid plastic figure accurately replicates the real pilot being rigid with fear at the prospect of flying a Clutching Hand... Edited May 19, 2020 by malpaso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Don't forget that Martian's build has two-part wings so his method will be slightly different. You will have to sand a little more on the leading edge and tips to remove the "tuck under" and round it off. Trailing edge is easier as you just sand it to a fine edge. You will also need to ensure that all sign of the moulding detail for the upper surface is removed as the lower surface should be flat, with no indentations. Ian Edited May 19, 2020 by limeypilot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonners Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, StephenCJ said: was wondering how to sort the back side You could follow one of the 'old-school' methods that involves filling the hollow side with superglue and baking powder, but that's a messy faff either better left for small parts such as struts or avoided altogether. As Ian says, it might be possible to sand the back of the single piece to create an acceptable section if it isn't especially convex but as you are inevitably going to have to sand it back, you might as well cut a new shape out of card (probably 1mm / 40 thou) and sand each side's edges to a streamlined section. It isn't that difficult. Another option might be to cut and sand the part as it is, then glue it to a piece of flat plastic card; once it cures you can then sand the flat card side to shape and section using the kit part as a template. The result will be quite thick, but who's checking? Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Jonners said: cut a new shape out of card (probably 1mm / 40 thou) and sand each side's edges to a streamlined section. It isn't that difficult. In 1:72 I use .5mm / 20 thou card for WWI subjects. Ian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdo Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Looking good mate! Following. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Nice to see my efforts are taking root in others. Martian 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsald Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 This is looking good! I haven’t been brave enough to tackle a vacuform kit yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenCJ Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 59 minutes ago, sjsald said: This is looking good! I haven’t been brave enough to tackle a vacuform kit yet... Vacuform kits are not hard, yet. Like any other kit you need to TAKE YOUR TIME especially with the sanding and check often. Today I have made some bulkheads out of scrap styrene. Give it a go. Plenty of experts here to help. Stephen 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsald Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, StephenCJ said: Vacuform kits are not hard, yet. Like any other kit you need to TAKE YOUR TIME especially with the sanding and check often. Today I have made some bulkheads out of scrap styrene. Give it a go. Plenty of experts here to help. Stephen Thank you! I’ll give one a try 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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