Spookytooth Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Great to see you back on this build again Fozzy. Yes, you could say a bit of a hiatus but that`s life. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Walter E Kurtz Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 05/05/2020 at 15:26, mike romeo said: Do the wings . . do the wings . . . do the wings. I DARE ya! Rgds Martin PS very nice, so far. Please do the wings! Pretty Please 😂😂😂😂😂 Awesome! I salut you sir! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 How about just as far as the inboard engine so we can see you do the engine and undercarriage? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 OK guys....reference the wings...... 1. I started this B17G approx 10 years ago. 2. I have aged even faster due to this project! 3. It would take me at least another 10 years to do the wings. 4. I just haven't the time left in this world! 5. I would love to have a go at another project.....before I get too old! 6. I hate wings! There I think that just about covers it!😉 😀 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthemodeller Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fozzy said: OK guys....reference the wings...... 1. I started this B17G approx 10 years ago. 2. I have aged even faster due to this project! 3. It would take me at least another 10 years to do the wings. 4. I just haven't the time left in this world! 5. I would love to have a go at another project.....before I get too old! 6. I hate wings! There I think that just about covers it!😉 😀 I take it that’s a possible maybe that we will see wings, then?!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, John_W said: How about just as far as the inboard engine so we can see you do the engine and undercarriage? I second this!!!!!@@##$#@!!!!!🤩 ...and I think we are all becoming quite rabid...🙃 Edited May 9, 2021 by Thom216 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 Hi guys! Time for another up date!...still battling on with the Cheyenne turret and this post is all about Ammo boxes ,rounds and seats! So this first photo is of the two ammunition boxes I made from plastic card. I should point out at this stage that when I mounted them onto the Turret side walls I realized that they were far too long and had to cut them down to size!...1 step forward 2 steps back!..... So here they are attached to the side walls.... It was time to put some music on and settle down for the afternoon to make the ammunition belts!....Of course I have done this for all the other guns on this project so far and knew it would be a rather a laborious task! The belts are paper (so they can be flexible when placing them on the guns etc) and the rounds are hundreds of 4mm cut lengths of wire. ....more paper detail and by the end of the afternoon I had finished! Time to put some paint on them!.... I then placed them onto the ammunition boxes.... I then turned my attention to the outside of the turret. Most of the combat B17G Cheyenne turrets had the apertures where the barrels go through open...but the Warbirds have them closed off with zipped canvas as on "Fuddy Duddy" ....so this was replicated with the use of thin plastic. Both the 50 cals were then glued to the internal frame minus the barrels which I will place on when the turret is complete.... ....and the top plate was then glued into position over the guns..... It was at this stage that I shortened the ammo boxes....what a drag!....my own fault ...I should have studied the reference photos more carefully! It was now time to have a go at the old bicycle seat that the gunner sits on for hours on end!...I shaped a small block of balsa wood and covered it with thin plastic card and I also made the knee pads to go on either side of the seat..... ....and painted.... Looks bloody uncomfortable to say the least! With the gunners seat in place ...the last 6 photos are what the turret looks like so far! See you on the next post.. Thanks for taking a look! Cheers Fozzy 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Absolutely stunning Fozzy, as usual! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Lovely work as usual. How on earth does the ammunition belt get aligned with the breach though? Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Brandy said: Lovely work as usual. How on earth does the ammunition belt get aligned with the breach though? Ian Hi Ian The ammunition belt twists towards the both breaches as shown in this photo....... Luckily I didn't need to attempt that as you can't see the breaches on my 50 cals! Cheers! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 More modelling magic! Ignore the wing whingers. I want to see what you choose to do next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Outstanding! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Cheers chaps!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Love your ethos of no aftermarket, no custom photo etch and using whatever is to hand. Stunning results too, this is very inspiring stuff! 👏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Lovely job Fozzy, what is not seen is not needed thet say. As for the ammo belts, labour of love. Keep up the fantastic work mate. Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthemodeller Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 5/22/2021 at 7:53 PM, Fozzy said: Luckily I didn't need to attempt that as you can't see the breaches on my 50 cals! That has never stopped you adding detail any where else in the build?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 On 5/24/2021 at 9:26 PM, brianthemodeller said: That has never stopped you adding detail any where else in the build?!? Well this is true Brian!....but the effort and patience needed to connect the belts up to the guns was a step too far!!😉 Hi there every one Here is the next post on this 10 year post!.......nearly there now...he says! This post is all about adding more detail to the Cheyenne turret......so here we go....... These first 4 photos show pieces of wire I have added in and around the turret which is supposed to represent air ducts for de misting purposes....well at least that is what I am led to believe!...and I can't believe it took me all afternoon just to cut the wire into correct lengths and super glue them on...the glue just wouldn't set for some reason...mind you it is Bulgarian super glue! Once the glue was set I then painted them....the second photo shows the excess wire sticking up that will eventually be set against the frame of the perspex enclosure.... Next up was to scratch all the equipment that will go in the turret. I love doing this sort of thing!...... If someone can enlighten me on why the turret had 2 oxygen regulators I would be very pleased!...no end of research will tell me this reason!....oxygen outlets on either side of the gunner?....who knows!....I bet it's obvious and I just can't see it! Any how...the next 6 photos show all the equipment placed into the turret. .....the gunner really didn't have a lot of room in there! So I then replicated a portable oxygen bottle out of Milliput and plastic...made a little bracket for it and placed it in the turret for the gunner to bang his head on!🙄 So that's it for this post. Next up will be trying to make the sight and then placing the "canopy" on the top of it all!....which will then free me up to do the last bit of detailing which is the waist gun positions....and then..........well lets not get ahead of ourselves Fozzy! Until the next time ... Thanks for looking in Fozzy 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Fozzy said: who knows! The only thing I can think of, there was no heating back there. So if one freezes up (very common) you could switch to the other? And use the portable bottle while doing so. Assuming, of course, that you were aware that you were suffering from Hypoxia in the first place! That turret interior is a lovely thing to behold. Beautiful detail. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pete in Lincs said: The only thing I can think of, there was no heating back there. So if one freezes up (very common) you could switch to the other? And use the portable bottle while doing so. Assuming, of course, that you were aware that you were suffering from Hypoxia in the first place! That turret interior is a lovely thing to behold. Beautiful detail. Mmmmm...interesting hyphothesis Pete!.....but still don't understand!...even if one starts to freeze ....more oxygen won't help but extra heating might!....or am I being thick? (probably!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 The gunner would wear an electrically heated suit. No other heating in there or at the waist guns. Up there at altitude it's minus 30 C. Any moisture in the Oxygen could cause the rubber bits in the regulator to ice up and block the flow. So the gunner could then switch to the uncontaminated regulator. The only other thing I can think of, if the gunner is wounded then anyone attempting aid could plug in, as the portable bottles didn't last long. Not a lot of room in there to actually attempt aid anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Pete in Lincs said: The gunner would wear an electrically heated suit. No other heating in there or at the waist guns. Up there at altitude it's minus 30 C. Any moisture in the Oxygen could cause the rubber bits in the regulator to ice up and block the flow. So the gunner could then switch to the uncontaminated regulator. The only other thing I can think of, if the gunner is wounded then anyone attempting aid could plug in, as the portable bottles didn't last long. Not a lot of room in there to actually attempt aid anyway. Yep ...that I can understand Pete.You can find an abundance of information on the B17 right up to you get to just before the tail wheel. Then it's a no go zone!...of course I do have reference photos I use but that area isn't covered very well! Thanks for your thoughts mate....interesting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Must feel good to be coming to the closing stages of such a monumental project. Breath taking stuff this- a whole decade's worth!!!! Richie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 All looking great Fozzy. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 Hi there..........Speeding along now! Here is the last of the internal detail of the Cheyenne Turret ...which involved making the gun sight.... So stage 1 was to make the sight platform....... Next up was the bullet proof glass shield .....I have to say I still wouldn't want to sit behind that!..... It was then attached to the frame work ...... Now came the real tricky bit! The N-8a Reflector gun sight is only 6 inches long in real life which relates to approx 8mm x 6mm in my B17.......so...teeny weeny! I have to say a few swear words were echoing from my office as I tried several attempts at getting it looking OK ish! I then painted the safety glass frame and added a pulley and cables...... The gun sight was then painted...... This was then seated onto the frame and photographed. I have to say that it's not exactly what it should look like but its a rough version of this real one!! Here's my attempt at the gun sight....... As I was photographing I took these shots from below looking up into the turret as if I was the gunner!.....I thought it might show the cramped conditions the gunner would have to endure for 12 hours in freezing conditions ....I must be going mad!🙄 OK.....so next on the agenda for the next post is placing the canopy frame on top of the turret! Until then happy modelling guys! Cheers Fozzy 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 You make it look so so easy Fozzy. Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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