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30 minutes ago, Mike said:

still haven't built either of them though :blush:

Well volunteered Mike....  it should make a very interesting WiP.  :giggle:

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50 minutes ago, bootneck said:

Well volunteered Mike....  it should make a very interesting WiP. 

Building anything would be a nice change! :( On the upside, the Boy is currently spraying matt varnish on his rather excellent Me.262 while I type this.  He's taken up the modelling bug again while he's been off school, and the few years between his first attempts and now have resulted in a huge improvement in his skillset.  All I have to do is show him the technique he needs to use to achieve what he wants, and hand him the airbrush.  It's amazing to watch.  If I could get him more patient to spend more time on cockpits and gear bays, then seams, he'd be a modelling god! ^_^

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47 minutes ago, Mike said:

Building anything would be a nice change! :( On the upside, the Boy is currently spraying matt varnish on his rather excellent Me.262 while I type this.  He's taken up the modelling bug again while he's been off school, and the few years between his first attempts and now have resulted in a huge improvement in his skillset.  All I have to do is show him the technique he needs to use to achieve what he wants, and hand him the airbrush.  It's amazing to watch.  If I could get him more patient to spend more time on cockpits and gear bays, then seams, he'd be a modelling god! ^_^

Delegate the build reviews to him, that should free up some of your time.

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Is this about Telford 2020 or SMW in general..?...methinks we are going a bit off topic here

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I was contacted by a member of my SIG end of last week, and he said that his booking for the Telford University rooms has already been cancelled for the two nights he had booked for  SMW weekend.   

That then poses interesting questions.  

 

If  and it its big IF....  some hotels are allowed to reopen, with strict reductions on guests, and some bars are also allowed to reopen but with smaller numbers of punters in them,   where will everyone who attends (assuming that people do go)  stop, or eat.   as there are also an awful lot of people who stop in an awful lot of small B&B and older type establishments within a very wide area around Telford,, that are going to be severely hit in terms of when they can (or even if they can) reopen as they have got narrow corridors and limited space,   The larger modern hotels with wide corridors and multiple lifts will be able to reopen sooner, but with reduced guest numbers;   and we all know that "everywhere" gets pre-booked up for that weekend, so quickly...  

 

Anyone who has been and knows how Mr Models or Pat Lewerne to name just two, set out their stalls,  they are very hemmed in/enclosed  with how visitors go in and around their stand, generally having to knee others and stepping on feet to see and get round when it gets busy.    For the clubs and SIGS who attend, there may be 4ft of space infront of us,  but behind the table it is a free fight trying to navigate your way round past other people, coats, chairs  and "stuff" to get to the entrance spaces to get up the aisles to our displays - so there has got to be an awful lot of space between the tables ..   it just is not going to work.

 

Where will the overseas contingent do their 14 days quarantine ?  if that element of travel into the UK comes into force;  they cannot do it at the hotel, as most of them only do B&B - requiring you to go out to one of the pubs and restaurants in the area for food;      Then they will in all likelihood have to do a further 2 week stint when they get home again!

 

There is a lot more to Telford than just getting into the international centre;  all the hotels and restaurants and pubs, in the area who get our custom;  then there is also the matter of transport to get there.  We are urged to not use public transport,   but some thankfully have done in past years, which alleviates parking spaces, but still there is never enough parking;  but if locals who live in the area are now  using their cars and needing the local car parks   and that show goes ahead,  where will everyone park

 

 

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On 5/17/2020 at 11:49 PM, chrism said:

I was contacted by a member of my SIG end of last week, and he said that his booking for the Telford University rooms has already been cancelled for the two nights he had booked for  SMW weekend.   

That then poses interesting questions.  

 

If  and it its big IF....  some hotels are allowed to reopen, with strict reductions on guests, and some bars are also allowed to reopen but with smaller numbers of punters in them,   where will everyone who attends (assuming that people do go)  stop, or eat.   as there are also an awful lot of people who stop in an awful lot of small B&B and older type establishments within a very wide area around Telford,, that are going to be severely hit in terms of when they can (or even if they can) reopen as they have got narrow corridors and limited space,   The larger modern hotels with wide corridors and multiple lifts will be able to reopen sooner, but with reduced guest numbers;   and we all know that "everywhere" gets pre-booked up for that weekend, so quickly...  

 

Anyone who has been and knows how Mr Models or Pat Lewerne to name just two, set out their stalls,  they are very hemmed in/enclosed  with how visitors go in and around their stand, generally having to knee others and stepping on feet to see and get round when it gets busy.    For the clubs and SIGS who attend, there may be 4ft of space infront of us,  but behind the table it is a free fight trying to navigate your way round past other people, coats, chairs  and "stuff" to get to the entrance spaces to get up the aisles to our displays - so there has got to be an awful lot of space between the tables ..   it just is not going to work.

 

Where will the overseas contingent do their 14 days quarantine ?  if that element of travel into the UK comes into force;  they cannot do it at the hotel, as most of them only do B&B - requiring you to go out to one of the pubs and restaurants in the area for food;      Then they will in all likelihood have to do a further 2 week stint when they get home again!

 

There is a lot more to Telford than just getting into the international centre;  all the hotels and restaurants and pubs, in the area who get our custom;  then there is also the matter of transport to get there.  We are urged to not use public transport,   but some thankfully have done in past years, which alleviates parking spaces, but still there is never enough parking;  but if locals who live in the area are now  using their cars and needing the local car parks   and that show goes ahead,  where will everyone park

 

 

I think you've just listed why SMW will not be going on in 2020.That is unless a very unlikely vaccine is suddenly available asap.

Telford Uni  probably doesn't want to take the risk of letting out their rooms in the current sitiuation also

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On 5/23/2020 at 4:36 PM, wombat said:

Invite Dominic Cummings to be guest of honour and sorted....

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One big factor for overseas travellers is the 14 day quarantine that the UK Government has started for all except Irish citizens. I can't see foreign modellers or traders arriving two weeks early then spending a fortnight self isolating before attending the show.

 

Until a vaccine is developed, I think self isolation and self distancing will remain the norm. So sports in empty stadia, and any gathering where a large number of people mingle, be it model shows, carnivals, car shows or whatever will be cancelled or postponed.

 

However trips to Durham are allowed :)

 

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I think the current rules will make any show a non-starter this year, especially the one that any point-of-sales counter has to have a glass/perspex screen, plus the 2m distance markers for the queue to buy.  What trader is going to set all that up just for one or two days? At telford, most of the tables and sales layouts would not even have that space or facility to do it, even if they were prepared to.

 

Mike

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Shops now have to quarantine goods for 72 hours that have been touched by customers.

 

As a for instance:   Exbury Gardens in Hampshire, is a 200 acre outdoor site,  they are now open again,  and are allowed 500 guests a day, with staggered entry throughout the day  (75-80 guests per hour can enter throughout the day from 10am.)    They have toilet blocks that have I think nearly 20-24  cubicles in  them;  and they are allowed to have 4 available to use, based on how they are grouped with the doors opening and people/access to them.    Likewise out of umpteen urinals most are cordoned off.   

 

Market traders, have to have a queue and a barrier up, so customers queue and get served one at a time.  

 

Telford just cannot work - even if they try to restrict it to those who are members or have bought tichets in advance.   Who wants to queue for half an hour to look at what stock one trader has, then do same for the next....  its bad enough if you do opt to queue for kitswap,   and/or at some point queue up to get your Hannants pre-order.

 

Many traders are quick to comment about how much it costs to trade at the event, in the past.  Now it can only get worse. 

 

The IPMS committee and organising crowd are all volunteers who often remind us that they are volunteers and all have a life outside of the IPMS,  surely now it is sensible for them to sit back, call time on holding an event this year, and watch and see how the world evolves and how shops, and hotels. the leisure industry, and travel in terms of coaches, and trains and planes,  and all other trade shows worldwide all re-surface,  and then work and move forward with that knowledge to form a new format (which is what will be needed) for the event moving forward

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7 hours ago, chrism said:

Shops now have to quarantine goods for 72 hours that have been touched by customers.

 

As a for instance:   Exbury Gardens in Hampshire, is a 200 acre outdoor site,  they are now open again,  and are allowed 500 guests a day, with staggered entry throughout the day  (75-80 guests per hour can enter throughout the day from 10am.)    They have toilet blocks that have I think nearly 20-24  cubicles in  them;  and they are allowed to have 4 available to use, based on how they are grouped with the doors opening and people/access to them.    Likewise out of umpteen urinals most are cordoned off.   

 

Market traders, have to have a queue and a barrier up, so customers queue and get served one at a time.  

 

Telford just cannot work - even if they try to restrict it to those who are members or have bought tichets in advance.   Who wants to queue for half an hour to look at what stock one trader has, then do same for the next....  its bad enough if you do opt to queue for kitswap,   and/or at some point queue up to get your Hannants pre-order.

 

Many traders are quick to comment about how much it costs to trade at the event, in the past.  Now it can only get worse. 

 

The IPMS committee and organising crowd are all volunteers who often remind us that they are volunteers and all have a life outside of the IPMS,  surely now it is sensible for them to sit back, call time on holding an event this year, and watch and see how the world evolves and how shops, and hotels. the leisure industry, and travel in terms of coaches, and trains and planes,  and all other trade shows worldwide all re-surface,  and then work and move forward with that knowledge to form a new format (which is what will be needed) for the event moving forward

I took a long look at how Retail in general is having to deal with customer care during this outbreak and made the decision to pull out of the remaining Model Shows that I was due to attend later in the year that still haven't been cancelled.

 

Logically we would have to implement some sort of queuing system at our Stall, either wear full face masks all day or erect screens.  I guess we'd have to do something about quarantining our stock after the show which would have an effect on our online sales which continue in the background. Ultimately there is still the risk of infection as the virus hasn't gone away so is that risk worth taking?

 

The queuing factor alone would be the single most cause of problems on the day if everyone has to stay 2m apart, how many people does it take to have my queue extending into the next Trader's area and vice versa?  So would the Shows then decide to reduce the number of Traders to allow more space in between? If they do that then each Trader attending will surely have to pay more for the space unless the Organisers are going to take the hit for paying the venue fees. All this with a backdrop of reduced turn-out and higher general risk. It doesn't make attending shows a viable financial proposition for me at this point in time.

 

I feel genuinely sorry for Show Organisers who just want to put on a good event and make some money for their respective organisations so I hope normality returns to the Show Season next year but 2020 is a right off for me.

 

Duncan B

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The world is in the hands of the people trying to get a vaccine sorted, until then nothing I'm affraid will get back to normal anytime soon

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Well, we all know who the world is in the hands of, and it isn't scientists!  But do not imagine that we are waiting for a vaccine, for there is a very strong chance that there never will be one.  There still isn't one for HIV, despite untold millions spent over decades.  We are waiting for the economic and social pressures to overwhelm the death rate.  Hopefully because the death rate will have reduced to a level we can deal with, as we do with influenza, road deaths, drug abuse etc.  But the other pressures are every bit as real, and the problems they raise have to be dealt with, and as can be seen from the different responses from different governments there are a range of different responses available.

 

I must admit being very cynical about any long term effects on human behaviour.  For a while maybe, but you only need to visit a supermarket to see that old habits die hard.  Once things settle down, then  it'll be the game as usual.

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Unfortunatley Covid19 doesn't seem to be settling down, and how has the death rate settled down.

It has due to lock down but will more than likely spike again and another lockdown will follow.

You only have to look at the pictures of people on the beaches, old habits die hard as you say

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Surely the biggest worry is the demand for extra table space from all the clubs as we have all been making so many models!

 

But seriously, for many of us in business and I'm assuming similar for the SMW team, the big issue on the organisation side is the unpredictability.

 

Advice is changing so rapidly (and unpredictably 🙄) that arrangements might have to vary on short notice. What might be possible one day is suddenly impossible the next.

 

This will doubtless put off traders and visitors in advance and could make the show unsustainable.

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Looking back the last couple of months, the situation in half a year's time will me quite different from now. Including all the rules. Living abroad, it's a different life today comparing to only two weeks ago. I have travelled to England and Telford for the last 20 years. However, if the show is reduced to half its size, I will probably stay home this year, and hopefully come back next year.

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The only way to reduce it to a manageable size that I can see would be to remove all the SIGs and clubs, leaving it as a trade/retail show with better-spaced tables.  Which would be a shame, in many ways.  But after all they have not kept it as it began - whatever happened to the IPMS UK Nationals competition?  Given that this was the reason for it to exist in the first place,  I find it odd that it has now disappeared, largely without comment.  Not that I'm one for competitions, but it shows that the organisers are not afraid of change.  I suspect the following IPMS AGM would be noisy, but if a little more interest was shown perhaps that wouldn't hurt either.

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13 minutes ago, Graham Boak said:

The only way to reduce it to a manageable size that I can see would be to remove all the SIGs and clubs, leaving it as a trade/retail show with better-spaced tables.  Which would be a shame, in many ways.  But after all they have not kept it as it began - whatever happened to the IPMS UK Nationals competition?  Given that this was the reason for it to exist in the first place,  I find it odd that it has now disappeared, largely without comment.  Not that I'm one for competitions, but it shows that the organisers are not afraid of change.  I suspect the following IPMS AGM would be noisy, but if a little more interest was shown perhaps that wouldn't hurt either.

I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts on this, but I for one went to my first show last year because I was a SIG and club member and wanted to display my work, see other's work and meet up with other SIG members. I wouldn't travel that far and book hotel etc just for a shopping trip, particularly as so much is available online.

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Posted (edited)

I don't have to book a hotel, and walk past the vast majority of the club and SIG stands - though not all.  I probably would go there for the chance of browsing through the specialist bookstands and all the limited run producers that are so difficult to find, assuming they all turned up which they very well might not.  I'd miss some of the people, though.  

 

However, a reduction in the number of attendees will probably be forced on the organisers anyway.

 

I'm not arguing for this to be adopted, just pointing out one way the organisers might yet be able to hold some sort of show assuming that there will be limitations affecting the current approach.

Edited by Graham Boak

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It is supposed to be a Model Show, not a market hall.

 

Mike

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Any reduction in attendee numbers and trade stands allowed are likely to make the whole show financially unviable. IPMS relies on the income from SMW to enable to to operate successfully.

If Telford goes ahead then any loss of income would have to be made up from IPMS reserve funds.

 

I made the decision last December that I would give Telford 2020 a miss. Glad I did, even if I had planned on going in 2020 then sorry there is no way I'd consider going now, the risk is just not worth it.

 

P

Edited by PDH

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55 minutes ago, PDH said:

even if I had planned on going in 3020

Good luck with that.

 

You must have damn good genes in your family. 

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17 minutes ago, Gorby said:

Good luck with that.

 

You must have damn good genes in your family. 

🤣   Ooops - teach me to try and do things on my phone in a rush.

 

Amended

 

P

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Hi Pete,

 

I had booked Telford for this year, inc. hotel etc. for Margaret and myself but we're not going now.  I see that Bekra Models, Newton Abbot, has announced they have put the shop up for sale and will not be re-opening after the lockdowns have ended.  They were my source for the large styrene sheets I use for my scratchbuilding; so, it looks as if I can't get my stuff at the show or down your way either now.

 

cheers,

 

Mike

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