JWM Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Hi, In this volume: With plenty of photos of airplanes and wrecks left after 1940 campaign on French airfields there is photo of an airplane (biplane), which is not know event to the authors of the book Anybody recognize what it is? Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-17 man Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 All I can tell is it looks like a glider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) @JWM Could it be a Caudron Phalene? See the linked photo. If you do an internet search for it, I think the wing and landing gear strut arrangement is the same as in the photo you posted. Best I can do, as the only Frog airplanes I am familiar with are the ones that came in flimsy flip-opening boxes with the color scheme/markings on the bottom! Mike https://www.passionair1940.fr/Armee de l'Air/Appareils/Transport/Caudron-Phalene/EN-Caudron-Phalene.htm Damn- I just now noticed that the plane in the foreground is a biplane- I guess that's the one you were asking about...back on my research apparatus...be back soon! Mike Edited April 24, 2020 by 72modeler added text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Don't know what it is, but it's a very attractive aircraft; engine on top of the centre section is intriguing. Was it a flying boat at some point? Maybe one for @Moa? Edited April 24, 2020 by Sabrejet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Eureka! Found the little spud! It's a Weyman CTW-231! See the links. I won't even begin to tell you the maze I went through and the different search wordings, but it was a ton! BTW, did anybody think to ask @Moa what the heck it was? Bet he's either got a folder on it and has collected the bits to build one, or has two on the shelf in different schemes! Mike https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/weymann-ctw-231.46029/ https://simanaitissays.com/2015/12/18/charles-weymann-part-2-eventful-1928-puzzling-2010/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Sabrejet said: Maybe one for @Moa? I couldn't find it in my folders after looking deep and long, which is strange. Then I realized it has the French colors on the rudder, therefore most likely to be a military-related design, hence not in my folders, nor in my heart (in spite of its really attractive and awkward lines, which to me are always a bonus) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, 72modeler said: BTW, did anybody think to ask @Moa what the heck it was? See above, but I raise you a Weyman CTW-130, a real coochee-coochee, and civil. Not to mention the Weymann 66: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, 72modeler said: Eureka! Found the little spud! It's a Weyman CTW-231! See the links. I won't even begin to tell you the maze I went through and the different search wordings, but it was a ton! BTW, did anybody think to ask @Moa what the heck it was? Bet he's either got a folder on it and has collected the bits to build one, or has two on the shelf in different schemes! Mike https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/weymann-ctw-231.46029/ https://simanaitissays.com/2015/12/18/charles-weymann-part-2-eventful-1928-puzzling-2010/ Mike, many thanks! Frankly speaking I was thinking on asking @Moa, as an true expert on rare birds, but I knew that he will notice the military sign and will refuse to help 1 hour ago, Moa said: Then I realized it has the French colors on the rudder, therefore most likely to be a military-related design, hence not in my folders, nor in my heart (in spite of its really attractive and awkward lines, which to me are always a bonus) However, it appeared that It is a 100% civil airplane, as it really looks like, only she went army due to start of war, in the second link of Mike another link appeares: http://www.pilotes-prives.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8767 And it is said there: "In a French forum a member posted the solution: This plane is a Weymann CTW 231 Tourisme. The abbreviation CTW means Charles Terres Weymann. The registration was F-ALQY." "Turisme" is not a military name at all... So, your heart can start freely beat for it because it is really a very elegant or handsome machine! Regards J.W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, JWM said: F-ALQY But that's the reg of the other little plane I posted above? The Golden Years registers have that reg shared by three Weymann designs. I don't think the plane in question ever wore it. F-ALQY Weymann CTW 130 > CTW 131 > 321 The general config. reminds me (just a little bit, not really like it) of the Caudron PV200: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Moa said: But that's the reg of the other little plane I posted above? Indeed,... It is written like this also "It was three times modified, CTW 130, CTW 131, CTW 231 CTW 130 - 1 Renault 4Pb 95 hp , 1932 CTW 131 - 1 Hispano-Suiza 5Q 150 hp, 1932 CTW 231 - 1 Hispano-Suiza 9Qb 230 hp, 1933" Since on your photo there is CTW 130, likely it was that CTW 231 as a (from formal point of view) only a modification of CTW 130 it kept the same registration? More about Weyman 231 is here http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/ctw231.html It is repeated, that in build of 231 he used parts of 130... Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Now this plane got my interest. I need to start collect information related it and also info related to Hispano-Suiza. https://simanaitissays.com/2015/12/18/charles-weymann-part-2-eventful-1928-puzzling-2010/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfman Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 21:06, 72modeler said: Eureka! Found the little spud! It's a Weyman CTW-231! See the links. I won't even begin to tell you the maze I went through and the different search wordings, but it was a ton! BTW, did anybody think to ask @Moa what the heck it was? Bet he's either got a folder on it and has collected the bits to build one, or has two on the shelf in different schemes! Mike https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/weymann-ctw-231.46029/ https://simanaitissays.com/2015/12/18/charles-weymann-part-2-eventful-1928-puzzling-2010/ Well done that man ! Wulfman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalea Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 So how long will it be before someone models it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 Before modelling some drawing will be interesting. And more details. For example I have doubts about 9 cylinder Hispano engine - it looks to like a in-line , not radial. As other in-line should (?) have even number of cylinders (ok, I know that there are 3 or 5 cylinders car engines.. - there were always problem with balance of them). The another photo found in Net, before dismounting of engine and prop. It looks like in-line engine: Were there ever in-line 9 cylinders engines? Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRK4m Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 6 hours ago, JWM said: Before modelling some drawing will be interesting. And more details. For example I have doubts about 9 cylinder Hispano engine - it looks to like a in-line , not radial. As other in-line should (?) have even number of cylinders (ok, I know that there are 3 or 5 cylinders car engines.. - there were always problem with balance of them). The another photo found in Net, before dismounting of engine and prop. It looks like in-line engine: Were there ever in-line 9 cylinders engines? Surely you're right - there is a 6-cylinder inline engine there. Knowing Weymann's attitude to the Hispano-Suiza engines one could suspect the 250hp 13-litre HispanoSuiza 6M or the 350hp 18-litre HispanoSuiza 6P, but they both feature cylinders pointing upwards. And here we have (if my Eyeball 1.0 scanner is correct) the inverted one, thus perhas the Renault Bengali. IIRC the "longest" inline engines had even 14 cylinders in a single row, while among the odd-numbered "nines" were the longest. But most of them are gargantuan marine engines. There were very few 12-cylinder inline automobile engines, but in aviation the longest inline was eight. Cheers Michael 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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