Stirling V

[fatalbert]

Hiya everyone,I hope you are all well and had a great easter,I would like to ask for some assistance. i was in my loft the other day and found an Airfix Stirling that i started a mllion years ago and never finished,Its rather sad and battered so i have dismantled it and rather fancy converting it to a Mk V transport.As the conversions are like rocking horse do do(rare) am going to make a new nose out of plasic card and try and mould a transparency for the front.I have a set of plans that show the side view but i need a bit of information for the plan veiw.Would any of you fine people have a a magna Stirling V conversion that they could measure for me please.i need the outside width dimensions at the front where the transparency for the front is glued please.Also the distance between the two strakes on the tail part,(where the deleated rear turret goes)

Many thanks 

Regards 

Neil

 

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[VG 33]

Interesting subject and I hope Tony has some answers...

 

Patrick

[72modeler]

Wasn't there a conversion article on the transport Stirling in an old issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling- most likely by Alan Hall? If there is a SAM index and somebody has it, maybe they could look for it? I've got every issue of SAM, but I won't live long enough to go through them all- as enjoyable as reading all those great articles and seeing the low kit prices would be!  See the links for some nice photos, especially the cockpit and r/o station. Not much help where your project is concerned, to be sure. You could always do the one flown by the Luftwaffe with the canvas cover over the damaged nose section; IIRC somebody did the decals for it- that's one pilot's report that wasn't published in Revi magazine, I betcha! The last link is a discussion of the transport version and a modelling article- sorry but this is all I had in my digital archives,,,surely @tonyot has one sitting on his shelves, or hangar, or wherever he stores his huge collection of brushpainted masterpieces!

Mike

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-short-stirling.html

 

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/uk/raf/short-stirling/

 

http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Short Sterling.htm

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/short-stirling-mk-v-46-sqn-raf.46486/

 

Well I'll be a Wallaby's grandpa- I was right! Check this  modelling article link. (If it's multi-engined and RAF/RAAF, then Tony has built at least one and has a case of the kits in reserve!) 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2020 by 72modeler
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[fatalbert]

23 minutes ago, 72modeler said:

Wasn't there a conversion article on the transport Stirling in an old issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling- most likely by Alan Hall? If there is a SAM index and somebody has it, maybe they could look for it? I've got every issue of SAM, but I won't live long enough to go through them all- as enjoyable as reading all those great articles and seeing the low kit prices would be!  See the links for some nice photos, especially the cockpit and r/o station. Not much help where your project is concerned, to be sure. You could always do the one flown by the Luftwaffe with the canvas cover over the damaged nose section; IIRC somebody did the decals for it- that's one pilot's report that wasn't published in Revi magazine, I betcha! The last link is a discussion of the transport version and a modelling article- sorry but this is all I had in my digital archives,,,surely @tonyot has one sitting on his shelves, or hangar, or wherever he stores his huge collection of brushpainted masterpieces!

Mike

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-short-stirling.html

 

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/uk/raf/short-stirling/

 

http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Short Sterling.htm

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/short-stirling-mk-v-46-sqn-raf.46486/

 

Well I'll be a Wallaby's grandpa- I was right! Check this  modelling article link. (If it's multi-engined and RAF/RAAF, then Tony has built at least one and has a case of the kits in reserve!) 

 

 

Many thanks 72 modeller,there are some very useful links there,especially the article by Tony.The camouflaged onenis what has attracted my eye,think it looks rather nice🙂,

That must have taken you ages to look all tose up so thanks again,much appreciated 👍

Neil

[12jaguar]

Well I happen to have a Mk V conversion (sorry but promised to a mate once lockdown is over), I think it's a heritage models conversion. The nose plug still has the resin gate attached so unfortunately I can't confirm the width at the transparency. I can confirm however that the dimension between the strakes on the nose cone is 9/32" for 1/72 scale.

 

It's worth noting that not all MkVs had the transparency and many had an all metal nose. eg https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205126847

 

regards

 

John

[RJP]

There was a Stirling V conversion article by Alan W Hall in Airfix magazine May 1967, not so very long after the kit was originally released.  I wonder if that's the one 72modeler remembers?

 

It was typical of the period, a block of balsa attached to the nose, carved and hollowed and the grain filled with talcum powder and dope.  

 

[fatalbert]

20 minutes ago, 12jaguar said:

Well I happen to have a Mk V conversion (sorry but promised to a mate once lockdown is over), I think it's a heritage models conversion. The nose plug still has the resin gate attached so unfortunately I can't confirm the width at the transparency. I can confirm however that the dimension between the strakes on the nose cone is 9/32" for 1/72 scale.

 

It's worth noting that not all MkVs had the transparency and many had an all metal nose. eg https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205126847

 

regards

 

John

Many thanks John thats one problem sorted,and that photo is interesting, i never knew about tin nosed ones.

[fatalbert]

19 minutes ago, RJP said:

There was a Stirling V conversion article by Alan W Hall in Airfix magazine May 1967, not so very long after the kit was originally released.  I wonder if that's the one 72modeler remembers?

 

It was typical of the period, a block of balsa attached to the nose, carved and hollowed and the grain filled with talcum powder and dope.  

 

Thsnks RJP,i will have to look into getting that issue 🙂👍

[tonyot]

5 hours ago, 72modeler said:

Wasn't there a conversion article on the transport Stirling in an old issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling- most likely by Alan Hall? If there is a SAM index and somebody has it, maybe they could look for it? I've got every issue of SAM, but I won't live long enough to go through them all- as enjoyable as reading all those great articles and seeing the low kit prices would be!  See the links for some nice photos, especially the cockpit and r/o station. Not much help where your project is concerned, to be sure. You could always do the one flown by the Luftwaffe with the canvas cover over the damaged nose section; IIRC somebody did the decals for it- that's one pilot's report that wasn't published in Revi magazine, I betcha! The last link is a discussion of the transport version and a modelling article- sorry but this is all I had in my digital archives,,,surely @tonyot has one sitting on his shelves, or hangar, or wherever he stores his huge collection of brushpainted masterpieces!

Mike

 

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-short-stirling.html

 

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/uk/raf/short-stirling/

 

http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Short Sterling.htm

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/short-stirling-mk-v-46-sqn-raf.46486/

 

Well I'll be a Wallaby's grandpa- I was right! Check this  modelling article link. (If it's multi-engined and RAF/RAAF, then Tony has built at least one and has a case of the kits in reserve!) 

 

 

Thanks for volunteering me `again' Mike,....... all sorted,..... I don`t have access to the model at the moment but Neil has PM`ed me and I have informed him of the S+M Models Mk.V conversion,....... a very nice set;

http://sandmmodels.co.uk/product-category/conversions/

 

Cheers

          Tony

[12jaguar]

I should of course said tailcone not nose...doh!

 

John 

[Troy Smith]

some colour from @Etiennedup flickr

 

Short Stirling Mk. V      1945. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

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As discussed on the SDASM source archive this has been dated to about September 1945 by the one and only French B-17 you can see peeking from behind the Stirling tail and here [www.flickr.com/photos/74784995@N00/8675316871/]
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The B-17 was carrying Admiral Thierry D'Argenlieu to Indo-China.
The hangars match those in a 1953 photo of a USAF C-124 bound for Korea at Dum Dum Airport Calcutta (Kolkata) India which was a big USAAF base in WWII
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/C-124_374TCW_...
and Jack Canary who took the original Kodachromes was probably on the way home after WWII

more on that B-17 in the links

 

Short Stirling Mk.V, PJ956, India, 1944 03920034 by SDASM Archives, on Flickr

 

Stirling Mk V in India,   September 1945. by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

 

Stirling  Mk. V by Etienne du Plessis, on Flickr

[fatalbert]

20 minutes ago, tonyot said:

Thanks for volunteering me `again' Mike,....... all sorted,..... I don`t have access to the model at the moment but Neil has PM`ed me and I have informed him of the S+M Models Mk.V conversion,....... a very nice set;

http://sandmmodels.co.uk/product-category/conversions/

 

Cheers

          Tony

Thanks again Tony 🙂👍

[72modeler]

4 hours ago, tonyot said:

Thanks for volunteering me `again' Mike,.

Sorry, Tony! I didn't mean to take you away from what you are working on; should have checked with you first. I just figured you would be able to help fatalbert and I thought surely you must have done the same conversion. I can throw myself on a rusty Xacto or Swann-Morton if that would help.

Mike

[fatalbert]

7 hours ago, 72modeler said:

Sorry, Tony! I didn't mean to take you away from what you are working on; should have checked with you first. I just figured you would be able to help fatalbert and I thought surely you must have done the same conversion. I can throw myself on a rusty Xacto or Swann-Morton if that would help.

Mike

😂😂😂😂

[woody37]

16 hours ago, 72modeler said:

Sorry, Tony! I didn't mean to take you away from what you are working on; should have checked with you first. I just figured you would be able to help fatalbert and I thought surely you must have done the same conversion. I can throw myself on a rusty Xacto or Swann-Morton if that would help.

Mike

Tony is having some issues with his modelling elves, they are wanting to self isolate but Tony isn't having any of that, there's far too much work to be done 😂

[JPuente54]

@72modeler show us a photo of your furry little grandchild. On a serious level, a transport version would be a type to be built. Airfix needs to produce a new Stirling to replace the old one. And should offer several Marks off the new molds.

Joe

[72modeler]

You know, I'm all in for that, and the camouflaged one in Burma is soooo handsome! Not being an authority on Stirlings, and seeing that the new Airfix doesn't like to release more than two versions of their new-tools, like the B-25, P-51D, Phantom, Buccaneer, etc., I would think they could cover the bomber versions with one set of sprues and the transport with another; if they molded cut lines for the nose and tail in the fuselage halves, and did the area around the dorsal turret as an insert, they could do the transport very easily. (I can dream, can't I?)

Mike

[tonyot]

On 4/15/2020 at 2:41 AM, 72modeler said:

Sorry, Tony! I didn't mean to take you away from what you are working on; should have checked with you first. I just figured you would be able to help fatalbert and I thought surely you must have done the same conversion. I can throw myself on a rusty Xacto or Swann-Morton if that would help.

Mike

LOL,..... yeah go on then!! 

As for the Stirling,..... the new Italeri kit is very nice and offers the Mk.IV Airborne Forces version and the Mk.I bomber,...... a Mk.III and Mk.V would be nice but I suppose it depends on sales of the first two?

Cheers

          Tony

[tonyot]

17 hours ago, woody37 said:

Tony is having some issues with his modelling elves, they are wanting to self isolate but Tony isn't having any of that, there's far too much work to be done 😂

LOL,..... Mate the little sods have buggered off and left me high and dry with a huge shelf of doom to wade through!!