Juhannussima Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Moa said: Those photos are mostly taken from the ETH Zurich website, that I stated as the source for the cabin images. Here is a different link, so there is no need to look at all that despicable nazi crap: https://search.library.ethz.ch/primo-explore/search?institution=E00&vid=DADS&tab=default_tab&mode=Basic&lang=en_US&displayMode=full&bulkSize=10&highlight=true&dum=true&query=any,contains,JUnkers Ju-86&displayField=all&primoQueryTemp=JUnkers Ju-86 Have someone any idea about these Swiss JU- 86 colours. DHL light grey L40/52 ? Cowlings possible blue, the trim could be blue too. Fuselage registration looks black, but letters on wings are much lighter . Tailfins red for sure + white crosses. Regards ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Wow another Moa masterpiece, great work fella, I have to say I like your window work using the clear strip replacement, it always looks so neat. I know if I do that there would be huge gaps and wavy lines. Keep up you fantastic work fella. All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, bigbadbadge said: Wow another Moa masterpiece, great work fella, I have to say I like your window work using the clear strip replacement, it always looks so neat. I know if I do that there would be huge gaps and wavy lines. Keep up you fantastic work fella. All the best Chris Thanks, Chris. I wish the models were so perfect as you seem to perceive them! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 You may drill and carve those pips, or remove them, drill the location and use the carved plastic airfoils I was using above for more realism, or... ...you could make the exhausts from shaped and glued thin aluminium foil of the the stiff type found on coffee containers and such: Cut a strip, bend it, superglue it from inside: Trim the excess, sand the edge. You can make short tail struts, landing gear telescopic struts, trailing antenna housings, exhausts, etc. And in any size you want: 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 4:57 PM, Moa said: Meanwhile the wardrobe doors for the new kit are fabricated: Where in the world are you going to find 1/72 wood stain and varnish to finish those wardrobe doors? Being German, they must be in cherry wood! Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Once more very good tip, NowI just need to practice milion times. @72modeler Definitely oak in Germany. Edited April 15, 2020 by Vesa Jussila 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) On 4/12/2020 at 4:20 PM, Moa said: And we all know what this is, a paleokit feature, for the dreaded stand: Or maybe the exhaust outlet for the toilette...which reminds me, what magazines are going to be in the seatback pockets- Revi or Bavarian House and Gardens? (I know the drill- go sit in the corner and think about my behavior.) Mike Edited April 15, 2020 by 72modeler corrected spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 @Moa, Claudio, may I call you that? I was thinking about your window issues on the Ju-86, and I had a thought. (Very dangerous act, in my case!) Do you know about polycarbonate, or have you used it? It is a very clear, tough plastic with a higher melting point than acetate or other clear sheet plastic used in vacuforming. It comes in various thicknesses, and you can get it in a thickness that is greater than the thin plastic used in most vacuform transparencies, but still thinner than styrene clear parts. You get a thicker surface for cementing to the plastic kit you are working on, too! You can get offcuts and leftovers from your local plastic supply store for free or at a really low price, as they are basically leftover plastic bits from whatever they are making for a customer. You can get enough to last a lifetime for a pittance. I have a vacuform machine like the one used in dental labs to make partials and appliances, and it works on polycarbonate like a champ! If not, you just heat it up longer using whatever apparatus you have. I have used this plastic to form canopies as well as using the sheet for windows and other flat transparencies like underwing landing lights. There is very little I can help you with when it comes to model building, but maybe this tip might be useful for future projects. This is going to be a very handsome airliner! Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, 72modeler said: @Moa, Claudio: Mike I hereby am imposing you virtual social distancing. And you don't get to seat in the corner, you have to go and seat on that 1/72 toilet. Good luck. There. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Thus 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Moa said: you have to go and seat on that 1/72 toilet. Good luck. In that case, make them back issues of Airfix Magazine! Mike 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, 72modeler said: There is very little I can help you with when it comes to model building... Hum...let me see. Yeap. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 It seems that Italeri got wrong the position of the details behind the cockpit: This is how the "teardrop" actually looks: And you can see that the positions of it an the directional finder were actually all the way around: Going back to the used kit, the fit of the nacelles is really good, as it was the fit of the wing halves. One brownie point for Italeri... and minus 1 point for the dumb engineering of the prop assembly that will have you, like most old kits and some modern ones, having to install the assembly at this stage, so it's hindering your work all the way to completion, instead of being an insert with rotating function designed to be added at the end: A replacement "teardrop": A replacement finder, with its beveled base to follow the fuselage angle on the side: What? you say the finder had two loops? gosh, you guys are insatiably nitpickers! Here's the double finder, then: 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 The leftover lengths of plastic are cut off, and a second ring is mounted on those tiny bits of plastic: Then, carefully, the rings are open a bit and inserted in the stem, and superglued in place. I know it looks difficult, but it's much worse than what you may imagine. It usually takes an average of 289 attempts. The prisoners of Azkaban are forced to do these. Where -you may asked yourself rhetorically- is the photo-etching industry when you need them? They could produce two rings united with a small spacer at one point, and you could fold them and place them on top of a thin rod and add a little blob of white glue. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Moa said: Hum...let me see. OK, if that's a sheet of polycarbonate in the photo you posted, that sucking sound you hear is me putting my foot in my big mouth! No more comment from the peanut gallery for me! BTW, those airfoil-shaped struts you made are the bee's knees- what a wizard idea! Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, 72modeler said: OK, if that's a sheet of polycarbonate in the photo you posted, that sucking sound you hear is me putting my foot in my big mouth! No more comment from the peanut gallery for me! BTW, those airfoil-shaped struts you made are the bee's knees- what a wizard idea! Mike Your comments, contributions, adittions, amendments, sidelines, vegetable-throwing, whistling and heckling will be always welcome. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaCee26 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Hi Moa, Outstanding and educative job as your building reports always are. Only a couple of things I'm not feeling totally comfortable: - The loop antenna o the cabin roof and it's position. I believe that it can be turned during navigation to find the direction of the navigational radio station,. - And the toilet paper. Is it sure they used rolled paper and not separate sheets? Cheers, AaCee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Moa said: vegetable-throwing, whistling and heckling will be always welcome. Great, I'm still welcome then! Martian 👽 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Martian Hale said: Great, I'm still welcome then! Martian 👽 Errr... I was talking to Mike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AaCee26 said: Is it sure they used rolled paper and not separate sheets? Neither type is to be found, so it doesn't make much difference, but for your peace of mind: long ago, in a similar discussion about a roll of toilet paper I placed on a model -modeling police got all excited-, I posted historical information about the item, that dates way back,. Do not remember the dates, frankly, but we are safe for the time period I favor. I encourage you to rummage through the 300 models or so I have posted here, and find that data. I Am Not a Savage: I Do Have a Bidet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 Two made, one for each model: The the left, the rescued kit, to the right, the new one. Waiting now for the arrival of the Kora set from the Land of Eng. I could start doing some basic painting, but the thought of setting up all the airbrushing rigmarole and then clean up is not particularly enticing at the moment. And remember: there are more things than aircraft modeling. There is also car modeling, bus modeling, etc. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Moa said: There is also car modeling, bus modeling, etc. What vulgarity doth thou spake! Away heathen! Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 5:11 AM, Juhannussima said: Have someone any idea about these Swiss JU- 86 colours. DHL light grey L40/52 ? Cowlings possible blue, the trim could be blue too. Fuselage registration looks black, but letters on wings are much lighter . Tailfins red for sure + white crosses. Regards ET Hi ET The Kora models set for the radial version of the Swiss Airline Ju-56 specifies Light Grey RLM 63, FS 36 373, H 147 for the general color. Blue RLM 24 , H 25 for the engines, and has the fuselage motif and "Swiss Airlines" lettering on a very light blue (no number specified). Black registrations, all over (the lighter shade you see on the wings is usually attributed to light reflection... but I am not convinced, it really look s very light, even seemingly in some images that show a glimpse under the wing). I have no idea how accurate all this is, and will not blindly trust it, at all. To me the engines, speedbird and company lettering are the same blue, not a different one. Not sure it would have been as dark as RLM 24. So not much to reassure you, I am afraid. The Speedbird seems to be an heritage of the Lufthansa speedbird. The vintage Junkers logo was blue. On a Swissair page (not official, I think, there is a profile that states light cobalt blue for engine and speedbird. Again, not hard evidence, just speculation. I will ask you a favor, though: to post your question in a separate thread in the classic civil planes section, to avoid a lengthy discussion here about a different interest. And perhaps knowledgeable people will give you a hand. There are many lurking there. Cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 Bulkheads added to the rescued kit: Preparing a common painting session for tomorrow... if I feel like: We'll have some apricots in summer looks like: 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I've still got snow in my yard, though it is melting. It got up to 14C this afternoon. Nice and warm. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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