Hawker Hunter questions...

[John Masters]

From what I have read, the Mk.58 and the FGA.9 were both variants of the Mk.6.  Since I am building at 1/72nd scale, I don't need to worry about changes in avionics, or little engine details.  What I and concerned with would be exterior looks...tails, wings, nose, etc...major cosmetics.  

 

What, if any, were the cosmetic differences in these aircraft?  I ask because I have two older Airfix FGA.9 kits and a newer Revell Mk.6.  I want to use one for a Swiss Mk.58 and the other two for other plumage.  

 

So...a little knowledge please.  

 

--John

[stever219]

In terms of visible airframe differences between the F. Mk. 6 and FGA. Mk 9 the most noticeable are the brake parachute housing above the tailpipe, the ERU fairings on the upper wing surface above the outer stores pylons and the quadrant cut out of the flaps’ outboard trailing edges to clear the 230 gallon underwing tanks for which the Mk. 9 was cleared.  When these tanks were carried a sway brace was installed outboard of the pylon between, IIRC, a point on the front spar and one on the upper outboard face of the tank.

 

Bear in mind that many later Hunters were more long-lived than their predecessors and were subject to numerous modifications which would have affected things like antenna fit but many would not affect the overall appearance greatly.  One mod that did change the appearance of Switzerland’s Mk. 58s was a rearward extension of the Sabrinas which introduced a squared-off centre section which enabled a two camera reconnaissance pack to be carried.  Some other air forces have adopted a similar fit so check your references for your chosen subject.

[John Masters]

3 hours ago, stever219 said:

In terms of visible airframe differences

OK.  Many thanks Steve.  I will have to look up all these things that you mentioned because I have no idea what they mean, except for 'parachute housing'. I know what that means.  😀  

 

3 hours ago, stever219 said:

the ERU fairings

 

3 hours ago, stever219 said:

the quadrant cut out of the flaps’ outboard trailing edges

 

3 hours ago, stever219 said:

rearward extension of the Sabrinas

I'll have to see what these things are.

 

Thanks!

[John Masters]

Aha...!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress)

 

I am not sure how I will attach her to the underside of the fuselage...

 

Ejector Release Unit?

Edited April 4, 2020 by John D.C. Masters

[John Masters]

4 hours ago, stever219 said:

ERU

Ejector release unit.  Could you supply an image?  I cannot find one online...

 

Thanks.

Edited April 4, 2020 by John D.C. Masters

[John Masters]

4 hours ago, stever219 said:

quadrant cut out

So basically a piece of the aileron was removed so the flap could go up and down and not hit the big fuel tank?

Edited April 4, 2020 by John D.C. Masters

[Jabba]

2 hours ago, John D.C. Masters said:

So basically a piece of the aileron was removed so the flap could go up and down and not hit the big fuel tank?

It was a piece of flap that was cut out, not the aileron.

[Pete in Lincs]

No, a corner of the flap was 'cut off'.

Sabrina,

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/hunter/GJ-Hunter%20FGA9-014.JPG&key=bfa530d1c3ecd23e8009f2f715c4555737bbf4a89c2aba0fac8180bf02161484

Flap and ERU cover

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/hunter/riat/Hunter-0446.JPG&key=b94b55406414a3803c92743b34c69894102cbb6b758ac8d00d82b50bd14ab79c

Both images found on BM.

 

[John Masters]

41 minutes ago, Pete in Lincs said:

Both images

Thanks Pete.  That is perfect.  I wasn't able to find them on BM.  They look like easy modifications if I choose to make them.

 

No one thought my Sabrina joke was funny...😉

Edited April 4, 2020 by John D.C. Masters

[John Masters]

50 minutes ago, Jabba said:

It was a piece of flap that was cut out

Got it!  Thanks.

[stever219]

Thanks for the images Pete, better than I could have found.

[Selwyn]

You might find this thread;

 Airfix pylon shape

 

 of use to you.

 

Selwyn

[Irish 251]

This is a good reference for the Swiss Hunters, aircraft by aircraft http://www.swisshunters.info/#search   The Swiss added additional pylons and ECM bulges in later years.  I would say there are lots of photos on the Net if you go searching.

[John Masters]

56 minutes ago, Irish 251 said:

This is a good reference

Indeed!  Thanks for the link.

[stringbag]

8 hours ago, John D.C. Masters said:

Aha...!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress)

 

I am not sure how I will attach her to the underside of the fuselage...

 

Ejector Release Unit?

You may have to increase the ground clearance a little. 

[John Masters]

7 hours ago, stringbag said:

increase the ground clearance

It would be like a figurehead on a ship...

[Radfan Hunters]

A couple of point on the external differences if I may. The FGA.9 did not have gun-blast deflectors fitted whereas the F.58 did. Secondly, The EJU s were not fitted on the FGA.9 until late-1966 on. I guess it depends on the period you are thinking of presenting your models.