Plumbum Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Which version do I need to replicate the machine that delivered Seal Team 6? I have been seeing some bizarre looking stealth images.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) That is the one! If you have seen it on stealth images... Probably not many have! Edited April 2, 2020 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Hi John, impossible to say. Nobody knows how these machines look like for sure. The only pictures of the real thing are from the quite intact tail rotor of the wreck at the Bin Laden hideout. There are some pictures on the web which were said to show the real thing but it was just a movie prop for a film about Operation Geronimo. Then there are a lot of digital art floating around but again they are just guesswork. Dragon does a kit in 1/144 (again fictional): https://www.scalemates.com/de/kits/dragon-4628-stealth-helicopter--114587 Who knows when these machines will be revealed to the public. If the one machine wouldn't have crashed we still would not know of it's existence. Cheers Markus Edited April 3, 2020 by Shorty84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On another forum years ago, someone posted a picture of an EH-60 that was modified as a testbed to demonstrate frontal stealth. This was from sometime back in the late 80's I believe. After a short time, they took it down because of OPSEC concerns. Anyway, I can only describe the helo as "hideous". It had a massive, faceted housing over the main rotor, with large bulky "cuff" extending out a few feet along each rotor blade. The nose was chisel shaped and a few other treatments were applied. The rest of the helo was stock -60. My completely uneducated guess is that some / all of these techniques were incorporated into the "Stealth Hawk" used on the OBL raid. Have fun with this one! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky dancer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Hi, This link should take you to what is allegedly the original proposal for the "Stealth"-Hawk:- https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a058906.pdf Dating from 1978, the graphics are pretty dire, but give you an idea of three proposals being considered in the "real world" at that stage. This may, or may not, coincide with the description that 11Bravo provides - wish I had some photos of that EH-60!! Hope that helps! Edited April 4, 2020 by Sky dancer Spelling!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsbrown Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Xtreme Modelers Studio is making a 1/48 Stealth Hawk. I've got some of his 1/48 Blackhawk interiors and they are pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beazer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Wasn't just Seals there, lots of other elements. S.A.D. CAG, etc From what I understand Prince 1 and Prince 2 were done in a bit of haste but alot of the "internet" renderings are pretty close. Except the one obvious fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Apparently the "Achilles Heel" of a stealthy helicopter (indeed, any helicopter) is the rotating rotor blades which serve as an ideal radar reflector. Not sure if anyone has solved that problem to any satisfactory degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 He tail part that wasn’t destroyed is almost Identical to the cancelled Comanche attack helicopter that is still flying 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Bell's new "Invictus" prototype bears a resemblance to the Comanche. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, magman2 said: He tail part that wasn’t destroyed is almost Identical to the cancelled Comanche attack helicopter that is still flying 😮 Still flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Was kinda hoping they would "upscale" the Dragon 1/144 kit to 1/48. What were the "normal" Blackhawks that were also there? Some type of Pavehawk?---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky dancer Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Not sure if there were any other Blackhawk variants there, other than the special ones. They were supported by MH-47's, the mission commander/flight lead of which has just retired from 160th SOAR and has disclosed some info of their role.... but he is still not giving anything away about the MH-60's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) Lots of interesting info and comments also in here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25890/origins-of-stealth-black-hawks-date-back-over-33-years-before-the-bin-laden-raid Edited April 7, 2020 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Very interesting! One thing I find interesting is Boeing the only company that makes aircraft for the U.S. military? They seem to have bought out everyone. Isn't that a monopoly?---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnv said: Very interesting! One thing I find interesting is Boeing the only company that makes aircraft for the U.S. military? They seem to have bought out everyone. Isn't that a monopoly?---John Lockeed Martin? F-16- F-22, F-35 maybe also count? Teamed up with Sikorsky by the way.... And then there is the B-21... So no, not a monopoly... Edited April 7, 2020 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Yes still flying, and other Black Projects. The Americans have never stopped developing Black Offensive and defensive weapons. President Trump, alluded to the fact that the U.S Had and would unleash unimaginable Weapons on Iran. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) RAH-66 Comanche is NOT still flying. It's actually at the Army Aviation Museum at Fort Rucker, Alabama. 6 hours ago, magman2 said: Yes still flying, and other Black Projects. The Americans have never stopped developing Black Offensive and defensive weapons. President Trump, alluded to the fact that the U.S Had and would unleash unimaginable Weapons on Iran. Please, don't bring children into the conversation. Edited April 9, 2020 by whiskey 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dot Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, whiskey said: RAH-66 Comanche is NOT still flying. It's actually at the Arm Aviation Museum at Fort Rucker, Alabama. Please, don't bring children into the conversation. And i have got a photo to prove it, taken in 2010, I think, in the storage hanger Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) Calm down gentlemen! We outsiders will never fully know what is flying and awailable in the black world... Some hints from time to time... that is all ! Edited April 9, 2020 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) On 4/4/2020 at 12:20 AM, Shorty84 said: There are some pictures on the web which were said to show the real thing but it was just a movie prop for a film about Operation Geronimo. Then there are a lot of digital art floating around but again they are just guesswork. The film is Zero Dark Thirty. I quite enjoyed it, and the Stealth Hawks were very believable. On 4/6/2020 at 8:32 AM, magman2 said: He tail part that wasn’t destroyed is almost Identical to the cancelled Comanche attack helicopter that is still flying 😮 Almost identical except for the fact it did not have a shrouded/fenestron tail rotor and it featured a low-mounted horizontal stabiliser instead of a T-tail! 😁 Edited April 10, 2020 by k5054nz 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I have no doubt that RHA -66 is in a museum an attack helicopter akin to that hello is flying but. Hay whatever you all have a nice day now 🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whiskey Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Yes that is the new Bell Invictus. Not the Comanche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 hours ago, whiskey said: Yes that is the new Bell Invictus. Not the Comanche. And it is not a Black program, curently, but a design in competition for a new white/ drab contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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