CT Modeller Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Douglas DC-5 1/144 KLM, Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia), 1940 (Still can't work out how to centralise photos!) I realised a while ago that amongst the stash and completed models I had the potential to do all the Douglas Commercials in 1/144 scale except for that elusive DC-5 (and perhaps the DC-1 but I’m hoping that’s near enough to a DC-2). FRsin do a kit, but my last experience of their resins (a Handley Page Hermes) was such that I don’t want to go there again. However, having bought the Roden DC-3 and realised it was much better than the Minicraft kit that was in the stash, I wondered whether I could use the Minicraft DC-3 as a basis for a DC-5. Initially I thought I would just use the engines and props and scratch the rest, but then I started to look at chopping up the wings and using them, and eventually the fuselage as well. I cut the wing fairings out and filled the huge gaps with strips of sprue covered with Milliput. I drilled a hole through the top of the fuselage and put a wing spar in place from aluminium tubing, then attached the chopped up wings, etc etc. Huge amounts of Milliput and sanding later I had something that was just about usable. The fin and tailplane were from plasticard (it’s a pity nobody does a 1/144 scale A-20 because the back end of the DC-5 looks just like a Havoc) Undercarriage was from aluminium tube and brass wire with wheels from the spares box. My plan was to hand paint the markings but in the end I cheated and used decals from the FRsin kit. In the end it looked something like a DC-5. I think the fuselage should be a bit fatter and it’s all a bit of an approximation in places but it should look OK from a distance between the DC-4 and DC-6 in the line up. Still got the 1,2 and 3 to build before that though. Chris 61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert falcon Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Very nice 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Delta 210 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Lovely looking model of a type that is completely unfamiliar to me. All your efforts have been rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Wow! Nice Model! That was a lot of work, but the end result was worth all of the work you put into it! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I confess I came here to see HOW you managed to go from a 3 to a 5, but the smoke and mirrors prove to be very effective! Did you compare against plans at all, or just go with the Eyeball Mk.I? The poor DC-5 really doesn't fit in very well with the rest of the gang, but it probably doesn't deserve to be forgotten, either. Congratulations, bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Modeller Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 'I confess I came here to see HOW you managed to go from a 3 to a 5, but the smoke and mirrors prove to be very effective! Did you compare against plans at all, or just go with the Eyeball Mk.I?' I found some good plans on line and printed them out to 1/144 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHaa Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Chris, My compliments with this difficult conversion of this less known Douglas. I like the idea; for using a DC-3 as starting point. A lot of work but you did a fine job. Thumbs up ! Greetings, JohnHaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Great result! Have you done any WIP thread on that one? This is something what is in my plans - I have one "spare" DC-3 (Italeri in 1/72) which I think to "share" into two scratch conversions: the wings I want to use for s B-23 Dragon and the fuselage I want to use as base for DC-5. If you can share with some problems you faced in this conversion it would be very interesting, I hope not only to me... Best regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger350Pilot Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Now this is impressive! Nice work, and the conversion work is quite nice. Didn't even know there WAS such a thing as a DC-5...learned something new today from this post! Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Modeller Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, JWM said: Great result! Have you done any WIP thread on that one? This is something what is in my plans - I have one "spare" DC-3 (Italeri in 1/72) which I think to "share" into two scratch conversions: the wings I want to use for s B-23 Dragon and the fuselage I want to use as base for DC-5. If you can share with some problems you faced in this conversion it would be very interesting, I hope not only to me... Best regards J-W I haven't done a WIP. It started out just as a test to see if it was feasible. After I had cut out the wing root fairings from the fuselage there was such a big gap that I didn't think I would be able to fill it, but by putting in 'stringers' of pieces of sprue, then filling the gaps with Milliput it looked possible. The Milliput moved the C of G aft quite a bit so it needed huge amounts of lead in the nose not to be a tail sitter. It just balanced in the end. It also meant I needed a metal undercarriage as the whole thing became really heavy. The wings I cut into two sections to make the inner and outer parts. I was left with no upper surface to the inner wing because that's where the wing root fairings would have been in the DC-3, so a lot more Milliput was used. The engine cowlings needed to be shorter than the DC-3s and the angle of them on the wing needed changing. This was all just about feasible in 1/144 but I'm not sure I would want to do this in 1/72. You might have to think of a different method of filling the fuselage gaps in 1/72 or you will end up with a very heavy model. Looking at the plans I think the DC-5 fuselage was quite a bit fatter than the DC-3. I kind of got away with that in 1/144 - mainly because it will be overshadowed by a DC-4 on one side and a DC-6 on the other, but in 1/72 I'm not so sure. The other aspect of the fuselage is the windows (round instead of square) and doors in different places, which again may be a bit of a challenge in 1/72 because you would need to fill the kit's square windows first - no problem in the 1/144 Minicraft kit because there are no separate windows. Anyway, I'm making it seem a bit of an issue in 1/72 but I'm sure you could do it if you really wanted to. Having said all that I think there's a 1/72 DC-5 kit anyway - Planet models maybe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, CT Modeller said: I haven't done a WIP. It started out just as a test to see if it was feasible. After I had cut out the wing root fairings from the fuselage there was such a big gap that I didn't think I would be able to fill it, but by putting in 'stringers' of pieces of sprue, then filling the gaps with Milliput it looked possible. The Milliput moved the C of G aft quite a bit so it needed huge amounts of lead in the nose not to be a tail sitter. It just balanced in the end. It also meant I needed a metal undercarriage as the whole thing became really heavy. The wings I cut into two sections to make the inner and outer parts. I was left with no upper surface to the inner wing because that's where the wing root fairings would have been in the DC-3, so a lot more Milliput was used. The engine cowlings needed to be shorter than the DC-3s and the angle of them on the wing needed changing. This was all just about feasible in 1/144 but I'm not sure I would want to do this in 1/72. You might have to think of a different method of filling the fuselage gaps in 1/72 or you will end up with a very heavy model. Looking at the plans I think the DC-5 fuselage was quite a bit fatter than the DC-3. I kind of got away with that in 1/144 - mainly because it will be overshadowed by a DC-4 on one side and a DC-6 on the other, but in 1/72 I'm not so sure. The other aspect of the fuselage is the windows (round instead of square) and doors in different places, which again may be a bit of a challenge in 1/72 because you would need to fill the kit's square windows first - no problem in the 1/144 Minicraft kit because there are no separate windows. Anyway, I'm making it seem a bit of an issue in 1/72 but I'm sure you could do it if you really wanted to. Having said all that I think there's a 1/72 DC-5 kit anyway - Planet models maybe? Chris, thank you. I have to print the drawings in the scale and look carefully. Indeed there is a resin kit, but I prefer sometime scratch over a resin kit. The main problem can be with fuselage diameter, it it is really differet, I hoped they are same. The openings left atre cuted wigg fairing can be filled with rounded plastic card since it is a cylinder I think at this point. The windows and doors are no problem at all. I am thinking on fwe such massive conversions like Bloch 220 from 210, Potez 65 from 540, Piaggio P108T from 108 and quoted already B23 and DC5. We will see if the life is long enough for those plans Regards Jerzy-Wojtek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I really like the way you made this come together. I suspect that's the only way a modeler will ever get a decent DC-5 because I have serious doubts we'll see an injected molded kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 A very laborious endeavour that rendered a beautiful and unique replica. Thanks for bringing the type back to life in model form! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, CT Modeller said: Having said all that I think there's a 1/72 DC-5 kit anyway - Planet models maybe? I've checked and there is a kit by Planet in 1/72 https://www.aviationmegastore.com/douglas-dc5-klm-japanese-navy-235-planet-8595593115214-airliner-modelling-kits/product/?action=prodinfo&art=95204 but also by F-RSIN in 1/144 http://www.f-rsin.com/pages/collection/14092.html But scratch work brings more fun! J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Modeller Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, JWM said: I've checked and there is a kit by Planet in 1/72 https://www.aviationmegastore.com/douglas-dc5-klm-japanese-navy-235-planet-8595593115214-airliner-modelling-kits/product/?action=prodinfo&art=95204 but also by F-RSIN in 1/144 http://www.f-rsin.com/pages/collection/14092.html But scratch work brings more fun! J-W I agree. I would much rather work in plastic than resin anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 A very interesting and original approach to an unusual subject. The DC-5 is the forgotten Douglas Commercial. If it hadn't had been for World War 2 I am sure it would have been a commercial success. However, the massive production run for the military of Douglas's own DC-3/C-47 design (which was really obsolete as an airliner by 1941) ensured there was no market for a DC-5 after 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydicky210 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Nice build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 3/28/2020 at 6:25 PM, JWM said: I've checked and there is a kit by Planet in 1/72 https://www.aviationmegastore.com/douglas-dc5-klm-japanese-navy-235-planet-8595593115214-airliner-modelling-kits/product/?action=prodinfo&art=95204 but also by F-RSIN in 1/144 http://www.f-rsin.com/pages/collection/14092.html But scratch work brings more fun! J-W I bought that kit a few weeks ago as a second hand. I do not have any experience with actually building resin kits, but my first impression of this one is that it is a beauty. I expect some challenges, especially with the cockpit glazing and weighing it up to prevent tailsitting (resin is heavy….). But it looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig88 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I was unaware of this type. Great idea, great execution and well finished! Miguel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Monday Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Top class modelling. BM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I like that. Could you perhaps get more from an A-20 kit than just the tail? I guess the wing planform is just too different, so you'd be looking at the developed DC-5A? Interesting concept, but perhaps too far out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I just saw this. Looks really good and is inspiring build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maginot Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Good effort. That's not a bad-looking DC-5 you've created there. Quote the back end of the DC-5 looks just like a Havoc Reading a little about this aircraft in tricky-wicky, there is little wonder that the empennage resembles that of the Havoc. The DC-5 was developed not from the DC-3 as I have long assumed, but from the Douglas DB-7, in other words the A-20 series. Thanks for bringing this groundbreaking type to our attention via the medium of scale modelling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmm Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I am soldiering my way through the F-Rsin kit now and stumbled across this. Amazing work and very inspiring. I am considering robbing morsels of my Minicraft C-47 to feed the F-Rsin monster I’ve created but I certainly lack the skills to produce something as nice as you have from it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapam Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Experts on the type may quibble, but that sure looks like a DC-5 to me! I can tell it needed a lot of work to get that result and you should be very proud. Almost more of a scratch-build than a conversion! Outstanding! 👏👏👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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