Doc72 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Hi everybody, I am currently working on the S&M Canberra B.6 coverting it into a B.15 or B.16. You can find the WiP-thread here: Could anyone help me with plans that show the position and dimensions of the under-wing hard-points? For a B.15/16 I will need at least the "standard" in-board hard-points for 1000 lb. bombs or rocket packs, but later some aircraft also had additional out-board pylons for the AS.30 missile. By now, I have quiet a number of publications on the Canberra in my library, but for some reason none of the drawing show these hard-points. Although, it is possible to guesstimate from photos, precise drawings would be a great help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 @canberra kid one im sure you have the answer for? Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I must admit I struggled to find an exact dimensional location when I completed my Frog Canberra last year. In the end I took an eyeball measurement comparison from the equally vintage Airfix Canberra and settled for that. Comparing it with actual photos, it looks about right! Cheers.. Dave 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 One thing you need to know first is which of the two you are going to build, the B.15 was the only one with 4 pylons, the 16 just had two. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc72 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Funny that the location is such a problem, isn't it? I mean, we are not talking about an ultra-rare prototype here. Regarding the B.15/B.16 question, I haven't made the final decision yet. It depends a bit on the availability of decals. At the moment, a B.15 with four pylons would be the preferred option. Actually, I have already installed three ejection seats, so strictly speaking, it is not a B.16 anymore. Strangely, the S&M kit wants you to build either a Blue Shadow B.6 or a B(I).6. For the Blue Shadow, the kit includes the lateral radar fairing (even for both sides which, I think, isn't correct), but for the B(I).6 there is a gun-pack but no pylons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boffin Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Canberra B6s fitted with Blue Shadow were B.6(BS). I assume the extra pylon on the B.15 was the same as the TT.18 used to carry Rushton Winches etc. The Airfix B(I)8 1/72 kit includes (wrongly!) these pylons as well as AS.30s. I can't find any details on location of the pylons. George Edited March 22, 2020 by boffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc72 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 According to Hamence/Brent, Canberra in South Africa service (1998) the pylons are on rib 5 (outboard pylon) and rib 3 (inboard). does this make sense and does this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Given the the much of the panel lines detail on the kit is fictional or misplaced, this is as good as I can get it. John 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 These help at all ? Note the slightly lopsided "sit" of the Canberra - standard for the type. HTH Dennis 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I forgot to say. if you want some AS.30's I have more than I'll ever need, seeing as Airfix don't do a Canberra that used them. John 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc72 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Thanks a lot! This forum is really incredible. The drawing is perfect. Also thank you for the photos. And the offer for the AS.30s is very generous, but there are relatively few photos of aircraft in squadron service actually carrying them. I think I rather go with the 2 in. rocket pods. There is also a problem with these because they came in three variants. 1.) black, frangible nose cone (as one the photo of WH954): these I think I can scratch build 2.) without the nose cone: difficult to scratch, it would require drilling 37 holes in a precise pattern 3.) with a reuseable metal nose cone (similar to SNEB): available in resin or probably from a Buccaneer or Sea Vixen kit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 20 hours ago, Doc72 said: Thanks a lot! This forum is really incredible. The drawing is perfect. Also thank you for the photos. And the offer for the AS.30s is very generous, but there are relatively few photos of aircraft in squadron service actually carrying them. I think I rather go with the 2 in. rocket pods. There is also a problem with these because they came in three variants. 1.) black, frangible nose cone (as one the photo of WH954): these I think I can scratch build 2.) without the nose cone: difficult to scratch, it would require drilling 37 holes in a precise pattern 3.) with a reuseable metal nose cone (similar to SNEB): available in resin or probably from a Buccaneer or Sea Vixen kit No problems, if you change your mind they are there for you. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 22/03/2020 at 20:04, canberra kid said: Given the the much of the panel lines detail on the kit is fictional or misplaced, this is as good as I can get it. John Anyone know what the pod is on the Canberra above? it certainly isnt a rocket pod. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 @Selwyn I can't tell you what they are Selwyn, not my field but here are two more photos one with the nose cap and one without, I'd say they were rocket pods of some sort? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, canberra kid said: @Selwyn I can't tell you what they are Selwyn, not my field but here are two more photos one with the nose cap and one without, I'd say they were rocket pods of some sort? John never ever seen a pointy nose like that on a rocket pod, the frangible noses were always black and rounded. some sort of air sampling pod? Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Selwyn said: .. never ever seen a pointy nose like that on a rocket pod, the frangible noses were always black and rounded. some sort of air sampling pod? We all know that you are the armament expert on here @Selwyn, although it looks as if the Kiwi's used a very similar 'rocket' pod to what John has posted during the Indonesian Confrontation. There's a few online photo's available that show (might I say 'confirm') this. These images are what I based my home-brew made pods when I built my Canberra model above. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Selwyn said: never ever seen a pointy nose like that on a rocket pod, the frangible noses were always black and rounded. some sort of air sampling pod? Selwyn Could it be pre the black rounded one? I don't think it's a sample pod, they were carried on the wing tip. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc72 Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Maybe it is just a "home made" aerodynamic fairing. Those Canberra sometimes flew with no nose cap at all, maybe somebody thought this created too much drag and, therefore, improvised such a pointy nose just to reduce drag when flying without armament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 It appears to be much the shape as that on the practice pod (Matra 155) but of course smooth and pointy rather than with a small radius rounded tip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Graham Boak said: It appears to be much the shape as that on the practice pod (Matra 155) but of course smooth and pointy rather than with a small radius rounded tip. Live Matra pods can be pointy too, well this one was 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Yes, but that's not the 155 or the 116 which the RAF used in this period. AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCrisps Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) The 2" pods used by the RN and RAF during that period certainly came in both rounded and pointy varieties, but I've never seen any photos of the latter with a frangible nose cone. Image is a "Launcher No 7", found through the RAFM Collections site Edited March 26, 2020 by ChocolateCrisps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham Boak said: Yes, but that's not the 155 or the 116 which the RAF used in this period. AFAIK. I know, was just an example 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Another collection of pod things under wings Not sure what the thing is that I've indicated, is it the same rocket pod or Napalm? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Those winches look the same as the one used to put Jaguar engines in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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