matto21 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Hi all, I'd like to participate in this if I may? I've had a P-40 gathering dust in the stash for ages. I'd been looking for an alternative scheme for this for a while, because the options in the box, including those captured and flown by Japanese forces didn't inspire me. So, the base kit will be this, Hasegawa's 1/48 P-40E. The markings will come from SBS Models "captured fighters in Finnish service" sheet. The aircraft represented on the sheet is actually a P-40M but I'm going to accept the error - my goal this year is to reduce my stash by selling kits I've accumulated and, more drastically, by actually just building them and having fun! 🤣 Other goodies include a replacement IP from Yahu, resin wheels, also by SBS Models, and some Quickboost exhausts. So, hopefully that all makes sense and fits the groups criteria. I'm hoping to make progress because for the first time in a couple of years, I'm enjoying my modelling again. Matt 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Excellent! That one P-40 of ours is too seldom modelled, though there's enough reference, kits and even decals available. . V-P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: Excellent! That one P-40 of ours is too seldom modelled, though there's enough reference, kits and even decals available. . V-P Just so long as you can ignore the fact its an E and not an M! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, matto21 said: Just so long as you can ignore the fact its an E and not an M! 😉 That's only traditional! 30-40 years ago Heller, or its importer to Finland, used to add Finnish decals to its kits and that included the P-40E! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, vppelt68 said: That's only traditional! 30-40 years ago Heller, or its importer to Finland, used to add Finnish decals to its kits and that included the P-40E! There you go Matt. If anyone criticises you for picking an E rather than an M you can tell them it's a model of a model In the meantime the rest of us will be happy to watch you building a kit from your stash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Even the Finnish Air Force thought it was a P-40E a.k.a Kittyhawk, and thus numbered it KH-51 - KittyHawk-51! The plane was a P-40M-10- CU s/n 43-5925. It was force landed by a Soviet pilot on lake Valkjärvi on the Karelian Isthmus 27.12.1943. It was never used on combat missions but on enemy plane familiarization flights in HLeLv 32. Last flight on 12.2.1945, sold for scrap in 2.1.1950. It had logged only 64.35 hours. Source: Kari Stenman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 @vppelt68 I'm looking forward to having you along - think I'll definitely learn a thing or two! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Unfortunately, all I know is already written in the post above! V-P Edit: In pics of the plane taken in August -44 the spinner was aluminium colour - unpainted? One month later it had a black spinner with white spiral, like in the SBS instructions, and a Hawk 75A prop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: Unfortunately, all I know is already written in the post above! V-P Well is was more than any of us else have contributed so all good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) I've made a start, although nothing much to get excited about. Cockpit parts have been removed and tidied up. The seat's just dry-fitted here. I'm not going to do much other than paint, weather and apply some belts...apart from the Yahu IP of course. I find these multi-part fuselage's that Hasegawa are so fond of to be a bit of a faff. Based on other builds, attaching the tail parts before joining the halves together seems to be the way to go so I've followed suit. Not too bad, although eliminating the seam will be a challenge. There are a few other gaps here and there that'll need some filling too. Matt Edited March 14, 2020 by matto21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 welcome along Matt, and with something that is really different and I wouldn't have expected to see. I didn't know the Finnish Air Force used P-40's at all, so I've learnt something new as well. The hasegawa P-40's are really nice models to build, I built a Eduard 1/32nd (re-boxed Hasegawa) one last year, it was one of the nicest models I've built in ages. Don't get too caught up with the E & M thing....from the right angle no one will notice! As long as you have fun and reduce the stash.....room for more , then that's all that matters. Good luck with the build, hope you enjoy it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 Thank you Rich! Quick question: the SBS sheets suggests FS34096 for the green. The only exact match I can find is by AK Real Colors, however I'd rather stick to Tamiya, or preferably Mr Color. So my question is, what do people suggest, Tamiya XF-58 Olive Green or Mr Hobby RLM71 Dark Green (or something else?) - it's hard to tell from online paint charts. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Vallejo sell the exact color in their Model color range. Ive been using it fine in my A/B and with a Hairy-stick. http://www.modeltoy.it/mobile/product_info.php?cPath=1089_1397_1399&products_id=16407&redirectCancelled=true Link is for display only, I have 0 connection to the seller. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 It was definitely NOT a RLM colour, though same model paint colours match both . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Vallejo sell the exact color in their Model color range. Ive been using it fine in my A/B and with a Hairy-stick. http://www.modeltoy.it/mobile/product_info.php?cPath=1089_1397_1399&products_id=16407&redirectCancelled=true Link is for display only, I have 0 connection to the seller. Dennis Thank for that, I've given up with Vallejo's, other than for detail painting, as I just cannot get a finish I'm happy with when spraying. I've got a couple of ish colours, so I'll mix up an appropriate shade when the time comes. Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Here's tonight's progress. Cockpit painted and weathered. Yes I know the shade of green is questionable, but I prefer them to be a bit lighter if possible. Belts scratchbuilt using HGW buckles. Few touch ups needed on the seat where the chipping is less than ideal... Matt Edited March 15, 2020 by matto21 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 the cockpit does look very nice, well done. As to the cockpit colour Curtiss had their own version of green for the cockpits which they painted in house. Curtiss Cockpit Green was made by the Berry Brothers, which was a local company and was their approximation of Interior Green though it was a little browner. I don't know where SBS got their colour from. FS.34096 (Nivo) = XF-61 which I think is way too dark. FS.34151 (Interior Green) = H58 (sorry no Tamiya eq) is a much better and closer colour. being and inclosed space the green will darken up so should look fine with what you have, plus it'll let you see the detail better. Plus remember that the scolloped window cutouts where painted the same colour as the fuselage in that area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto21 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, trickyrich said: the cockpit does look very nice, well done. As to the cockpit colour Curtiss had their own version of green for the cockpits which they painted in house. Curtiss Cockpit Green was made by the Berry Brothers, which was a local company and was their approximation of Interior Green though it was a little browner. I don't know where SBS got their colour from. FS.34096 (Nivo) = XF-61 which I think is way too dark. FS.34151 (Interior Green) = H58 (sorry no Tamiya eq) is a much better and closer colour. being and inclosed space the green will darken up so should look fine with what you have, plus it'll let you see the detail better. Plus remember that the scolloped window cutouts where painted the same colour as the fuselage in that area. Thanks for the information, I actually need H58 for another build. Any suggestions for the fuselage green - Tamiya or Mr Hobby preferably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Oppps sorry, were you originally taking about the interior or exterior top colour? My waffling on was just for the interior, Mr Hobby H58 Interior Green. For the upper surface Tamiya XF-61 Dark Green is listed as a match for FS.34096, there isn't one for the Mr Hobby range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Source: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Finnish-Fighter-Colours-1939-1945-White/dp/8363678074/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=stenman%2C+kari&qid=1584355578&sr=8-9 (I have of course the Finnish edition) Finnish 101 for modellers: elokuu = August syyskuu = September yläpuoli = upper surfaces alapuoli = lower surfaces tunnusnumerot = id numbers itärintamatunnukset = eastern front theater markings kenttävihreä = field green DN-väri= DN-colour (named after the blue colour in Dornier (DN) bombers was found better than the alu dope then in use; equal to RLM 65) musta= black keltainen = yellow suojamaalaus = camouflage V-P 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Whats the full term for Squadrons & Groups ? The abbreviation I've seen is Lelv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Le is short for Lento, flying Lv is Laivue, squadron Lentue, a flight, has no abbreviation and is just marked by its number e.g. my Do 17 DN-57 build belonged to 1./LeLv 46 - first flight of flying squadron 46, which was part of LeR 4, Lento Rykmentti 4, flying regiment 4 (a.k.a. group). The squadrons were by 1944 renamed, adding P or H to their description; PLeLv 46 being short for PommitusLentoLaivue 46, a BombardmentFlyingSquadron. For fighters it was HLeLv, HävittäjäLentoLaivue. There were regiments also in the army, and squadrons in the navy; thus the added "Lento". Naturally flights only in the air force 🙂 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Thank you for the brief primer on Finnish words V-P. Can we do swear words next please 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'm sorry but I can't. I once wrote word c r a p in a kit review comment and a BM "staff" member edited it and reminded me that we don't swear here 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reini Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, vppelt68 said: I'm sorry but I can't. I once wrote word c r a p in a kit review comment and a BM "staff" member edited it and reminded me that we don't swear here Well the 'C word' is too much - but I'm pretty sure we can say kakka, right? ... I mean it's a minor god in babylonian mythology after all? - - - - @matto21 Nice looking kit and great that you're doing a finnish subject 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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