Rabbit Leader Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Looking good Pat ‘ol mate and I hope you and your family are getting through this crisis without too much hassle. Now a few gaps here or there should not bother modellers like us, who for some strange reason enjoy dabbling with old bits of cruddy plastic. Bit of smeared over CA will do the trick nicely. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Looking good Pat ‘ol mate and I hope you and your family are getting through this crisis without too much hassle. Now a few gaps here or there should not bother modellers like us, who for some strange reason enjoy dabbling with old bits of cruddy plastic. Bit of smeared over CA will do the trick nicely. Cheers.. Dave Hi Dave Things are a little strained in the Jockney household if I'm honest. Mrs Jockney has been called up by the NHS to work on the Covid19 ward at the local hospital as she was previously an intensive care Nurse then Sister. This has meant virtual house segregation for her from everyone else, bedroom bathroom etc. Im now cooking for the kids and I, ( they will never complain about their mums cooking again ! ) The builds on BM are a very welcome coping mechanism, for when all our lives are allowed to return to normal. I hope that everyone is well with you and stays that way ! On a lighter note see more progress below Cheers Pat 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Looking good, I still think the 1980 Airfix Lancaster is not a bad kit. My Lincoln conversion from a few years back was based on it and quite clearly the Mach2 York used it as a basis for the wings, tail and undercarriage. It must be very difficult at home with Mrs Jockney being thrust into the front line and you have all my sympathies from an ex nurse. Mrs T is lucky in that she can reduce patient contact to the minimum. Edited April 13, 2020 by Mr T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I agree, that Lanc is looking great. I've always wanted to build an original 1980 Airfix Lanc boxing, so will try to hunt one down one of these days just to say I've built one. Mrs Jockney must be certainly under the pump and isolating her from the rest of the family must add to the overall stress. Once this whole sordid episode is over all those NHS workers deserve a huge prize, bonus, medal - whatever it takes they deserve it! . Let's hear three big cheers for Mrs Jockey.. hip hip.. hooray, hip hip.. hooray, hip hip.. hooray!! Cheers and take care.. Dave 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worms Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 05/04/2020 at 13:09, JOCKNEY said: I made an unfortunate discovery last night, that the kit isn't complete. This is not an unusual occurrence for me but for one it's not muppetry on my part loosing something. Found to be missing so far is one crew member and a couple of the window clear parts. I found a replacement crew member lurking in the spares box, going by that unique shade of blue it's an old Airfix one ! I took the opportunity to give the clear parts a coat of Klear, missing items top right Finally got to grips with the undercarriage and engine nacelles, needs some additional painting but we are getting there. More later Cheers Pat You may also find that the radiator flaps under the engine nacelles are neither on the sprues or, mentioned in the instructions...more filler/card/plastic scratch-building to be done! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Worms said: You may also find that the radiator flaps under the engine nacelles are neither on the sprues or, mentioned in the instructions...more filler/card/plastic scratch-building to be done! Thanks for that, I must admit I was baffled by what should be under there ! If you have got a picture of what it is supposed to look like I would really appreciated Cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Worms said: You may also find that the radiator flaps under the engine nacelles are neither on the sprues or, mentioned in the instructions...more filler/card/plastic scratch-building to be done! How strange, is that an issue with just this Grand Slam version or the base 1980 Airfix Lancaster kit? Cheers.. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worms Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Rabbit Leader said: How strange, is that an issue with just this Grand Slam version or the base 1980 Airfix Lancaster kit? Cheers.. Dave Not on my 80s Dambuster kit either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I can’t get to my 1980s Airfix Lancaster just now but, from memory, the rad shutters are moulded in the fully-closed position. The area aft of the shutters contains the hot air intake for the carburettors which Airfix have represented. If you do want the shutters open their outlines are moulded on the lower cowlings so you’ll have to remove them, then build up the rear faces of the radiators, the outlet ducts and new shutters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worms Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, JOCKNEY said: Thanks for that, I must admit I was baffled by what should be under there ! If you have got a picture of what it is supposed to look like I would really appreciated Cheers Pat @JOCKNEYIf you look on this pic you can see the flap in the open position...the tapered section in front of the U/C legs...wide part of cheese wedge to rear. They would probably be open when running up, taxiing or hanging about waiting to take off or as and when temps rose. They were operated by electro-hydraulic rams. https://www.alamy.com/avro-lancaster-bomber-wwii-military-aircraft-in-duxford-imperial-war-image5227804.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=C0EE953B-7C22-4AD1-8EAA-1D8C3385E20D&p=11306&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dbomber%20wwii%26qt_raw%3dbomber%20wwii%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worms Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I think I'm just going to have mine closed...filled..it will be in flight just for a change, hence the crew! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 I will have a look at what's involved with making them now I know what they look like, thanks very much @Worms Whilst on the subject of open and closed, the 2 cockpit side windows which come as separate parts in the kits, if you wanted to show these open, do you just leave the part out or does it hinge inwards or outwards ? Sorry if this is a daft question for all the Lancaster experts ! Cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, JOCKNEY said: if you wanted to show these open, do you just leave the part out or does it hinge inwards or outwards ? I’m pretty sure the windows slide back Pat, so you could probably get away with leaving them open. Check some photos to see what size they should be. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: How strange, is that an issue with just this Grand Slam version or the base 1980 Airfix Lancaster kit? Cheers.. Dave Hi guys, Very strange. Just checked both the 2nd mould kit I am using for the Lincoln and my original build from when it came out, and although it looks like they intended to provide the flaps they seem to have forgotten! On the very first moulding they are of course moulded closed ie not shown at all. Somebody at Airfix was being a bit careless back then it seems. Not a problem on the Lincoln of course but when I refurb my Lanc I will have to make some. Looking good Pat. Hope Mrs Pat is safe and well - not to mention the rest of you. Cheers Pete Edited April 13, 2020 by PeterB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Looking like a Grand Slam, Pat! I too wish all the best for your family and especially to Mrs. Jockney in the trenches 👍. V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Hi Pat, this is now looking like a Lanc! You seem to enjoy these big beasties with a lot of engines! I have never tried that, and considering the time it takes me to build something with one engine, I'd rather not try to extrapolate how many lifetimes a four-engined Lancaster would take me!!! But I am impressed by your progress! Tell Cheryl to be careful, and try to cook your kids something else than haggis! We are thinking of you all. Take care JR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Nothing wrong with haggis Jean, though I am not too keen on the Glasgow version deep fried in batter - they will fry anything including Mars Bars. I was introduced to it when visiting family in Alloa many years ago - they did "Black Pudding supper" and "White Pudding supper" at the local chip shop. I am amazed they do not have a higher incidence of heart attacks. How's the wildlife these days - still got the Mongoose? Cheers Pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just catching up Pat. Best wishes to you all. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 14 hours ago, PeterB said: Nothing wrong with haggis Jean, though I am not too keen on the Glasgow version deep fried in batter - they will fry anything including Mars Bars. I was introduced to it when visiting family in Alloa many years ago - they did "Black Pudding supper" and "White Pudding supper" at the local chip shop. I am amazed they do not have a higher incidence of heart attacks. How's the wildlife these days - still got the Mongoose? Cheers Pete Hi Pete, ditto re-haggis. I really enjoy it, and thank heavens I only was briefly in Glasgow! I was spared the deep fried Mars bar!!! I suspect they send the heart attack patients to a hospital in Aberdeen, just so they keep their statistics of heart attacks down, and can carry on frying everything!!! Never underestimate a Scot! The wildlife is still fine: no game hunting this season due to world wide lockdowns. Both us and the wildlife are very happy!!!! And yes, the mongoose still got us as slaves. Cheers JR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 First coat of paint on, gives you a real lift as it makes the aircraft look much nearer finished than it really is. Its going to need a second coat, it takes a lot of paint ! I think I may have made a c*ck up, does the camouflage go on the inside or outside of the twin tails ? Can someone let me know please Cheers Pat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Neither. They count as side surfaces so are Night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: Neither. They count as side surfaces so are Night. Thanks Graham so black inside and outside ? Box picture show black outside camo inside, others I've seen have camo both sides cheers Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Normally Night both sides. However I've just realised we are talking Grand Slam. There was considerable publication given to an unusual scheme for these types, but it has since been discovered that this was for post-war trials. I don't really know more details than that, but gather that the wartime use was in standard colours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Thanks Graham This picture from Wikipedia backs up what you are saying so makes my sides of the aircraft also wrong and it should be black underneath rather than grey ! Stroll on, I will pop a question on the other bit of BM, before I go any further and see what the consensus is, no point in continuing to paint the kit incorrectly ! Thanks again Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Hi Pat, Certainly the endplates were normally black, but I have seen pics of Grand Slam "daylight" Lancs with the green/brown on the fuselage sides as you have painted it - though as Graham says that may have been post war. I will have a dig through my sources and see if I can find anything. In Osprey's Combat Aircraft" book on late war Lancs there is a pic of a 617 Grand Slam plane in day bomber camo -the dark green/Earth comes all the way down the sides and the undersurfaces are Medium Sea Grey, but the tail endplates remain black - they say it was in operational use in "Spring 1945" and flew at least 3 missions, and was one of a batch of 32 built as Specials and delivered between January and March 1945 in that scheme. The particular machine is PD119 YZ*J. There are however no actual wartime photos to confirm this, though there is one of an ex 617 machine from the same batch in 1946 in the same scheme, so the usual caveats apply. I will PM a pic. Looking good. Pete Edited April 25, 2020 by PeterB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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