k5054nz Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Hi team, I’ve been planning a while to build an Avro Avian in 1/72, specifically VH-UFZ restored by Lang Kidby in the 1990s and later (currently?) with Greg Herrick in the USA. My intent is to finish the model as ‘UFZ as owned and flown by Lang. Do any BMers have 1/72 plans or drawings for this variant of Avian? Or can you point me in the right direction? I have a ton of reference photos saved from the ‘net and magazine articles of this specific aircraft but scale drawings for the type would be a godsend. Many thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 .I am almost sure that I have plans drawn by Alfred Granger. Tomorrow I'll check my computer. I also intend to make an Avian Carlos 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Got it! Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Thank you @dogsbody that’s perfect! @CarLos is this the same drawing you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) If you do a Google search for your subject and click on "Images," you'll find plans and scale drawings as well as photos. For example, for the Avian, I found these links: https://freercplans.com/plan-avro-avian-847.htm https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=8885 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Avro_Avian_III_3-view_NACA_Aircraft_Circular_No.70.jpg Some of these are for flying models, and some may not be 100% accurate, but they may be helpful. Here's a supplemental drawing you may find helpful: Edited February 3, 2020 by Space Ranger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 11 hours ago, k5054nz said: Thank you @dogsbody that’s perfect! @CarLos is this the same drawing you have? That's exactly the same. I only can add the drawing from the Putnam book. Do you have the article from Classic Wings Downunder #18? Avro Avian IV M by Carlos Carreira, no Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CarLos said: That's exactly the same. I only can add the drawing from the Putnam book. Do you have the article from Classic Wings Downunder #18? I do! - I have every issue from #1 to 113, except for (IIRC) 3 and 4. And my subscription lapsed just as the newest issue is out and I'm not in a position to renew 😞 Thanks for the Putnam drawing. The local library has a copy and I took cellphone photos from it as our scanner was U/S, this is much better. Thank you! Edited February 3, 2020 by k5054nz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 The Alf Granger plan is for an Avro 616 Avian IV, whereas Lang Kidby's was as Avro 594 Avian II. The engine is different, obviously, but there may be other subtle differences. There was also an Aeromodeller plan that was also for the Avian IV. Peter (purchaser of the last T-shirt from Lang Kidby's stand before he took off from Farnborough!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Space Ranger said: If you do a Google search for your subject and click on "Images," you'll find plans and scale drawings as well as photos. For example, for the Avian, I found these links: https://freercplans.com/plan-avro-avian-847.htm https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=8885 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Avro_Avian_III_3-view_NACA_Aircraft_Circular_No.70.jpg Some of these are for flying models, and some may not be 100% accurate, but they may be helpful. For some reason I never though to try Google first, I went straight to library and then here. Thank you Michael! That last drawing is a big help and I'm off to check out your other links too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Avro Avians differ from each other quite cosiderably. Most of the drawings around are based on the original IV.M Metal fuselage type drawn by Eddie Riding in the wartime Aeromodeller Magazine. Many of the Granger Lightplane drawings in Planes and Wingspan are often based on (IMO) the Aeromodeller ones as they often contain the same errors such as the c/s tank on the Foxmoth. Many of the Putnam drawings were also derived from this source. They also suffer from 'printers push'. Be aware that the lower wing fold design also changed as did the associated under-carriages and engine cowlings. Sports Avians also have a reflex curve to the top decking of their fuselages. The NACA drawing is from Flight. I'm working (slowly) on a 1:48 Avian IVM. John 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Thank you @John Aero, I’m fortunate in having so many photographic references for my subject so I can get all the little differences. The biggest issue is getting the outline right! I’m excited to see your IVM. i was rather annoyed when I printed a 1/72 drawing and it came out at perhaps 1/80...some tinkering is required by me as I had selected “print actual size”. Very frustrating. Edited February 14, 2020 by k5054nz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 This one is at the Alberta Aviation Museum, in Edmonton. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 To enable the wings to fold under the fuselage, the Avian has a distinct step under the fuselage where the rear spar pivot is, unlike the Moth which has the pivot mounted to the top of the spar. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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