Lord Riot Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I'm wondering what to start next and considering the Revell 1/48 Phantom. I've made one already as a grey FGR2, so was hoping to do a camo FG1 of 43 sqn. Does anyone know of any differences apart from the slotted tailplanes? Are there any aftermarket slotted tailplanes available? Or what do you have to do to convert them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 From memory now, most of the FG.1 bits are in the kit apart from the tailplanes. Hypersonic do a slotted tailpane, I don't have it, but their stuff is really nice, https://the48ers.com/f-4-phantom-slotted-stabilator.html There are loads of threads on here detailing differences between FG.1s and FGR.2s, so won't go over it here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks James. My mind must be going, I'd already asked this very question! What a gibbon. 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I was trying to be kind with my response! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBayKid Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 The FG.1 also has a different nose gear strut with two oleo scissors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilfish Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 And don't forget the catapult strop hooks, which I believe are in the kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedhillPhil Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 And the different lights on the nosewheel door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Probably of academic interest only but I'm pretty certain that original Hasegawa issue FG.1 kits included the slotted tailplanes. Same with the Fujimi 1/72 kits too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, viscount806x said: Probably of academic interest only but I'm pretty certain that original Hasegawa issue FG.1 kits included the slotted tailplanes. Same with the Fujimi 1/72 kits too. Yes the original RN & RAF FGR.1 boxings had a different sprue which contained the tailpalnes and the extended nose gear leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 The bits im using to backdate the Revel/Hasegawa kit is: Tailplanes from Hypersonic FG.1 Undercarrige from SAC FG.1 Wheels from Armory FG.1 Cockpit from Aires (Yes i know it's the wrong one for an FG.1 but it's the best i could find) I don't think i've missed anything else that's not in the box ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Well, I've hit another snag. I don't have the right underwing serials for a camo Phantom circa early 80s. What size were they once they'd been reduced so they didn't stretch onto part of the folding section or undercarriage doors? I need to find a decal set with them in for an XV5.. serialed FG1. Not as simple as I'd hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 hours ago, Lord Riot said: Well, I've hit another snag. I don't have the right underwing serials for a camo Phantom circa early 80s. What size were they once they'd been reduced so they didn't stretch onto part of the folding section or undercarriage doors? I need to find a decal set with them in for an XV5.. serialed FG1. Not as simple as I'd hoped. As I recall, the underwing serials stayed the same size when moved inboard as they were originally - 30 inches high. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Thanks Dennis! That makes it a bit easier. Just need to find two 1/48 number 5s in that size now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Lord Riot said: Thanks Dennis! That makes it a bit easier. Just need to find two 1/48 number 5s in that size now. Do you have to do an XV serialed 43 FG.1 ?. Don't forget that they also had XT serialed aircraft as well. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, sloegin57 said: Do you have to do an XV serialed 43 FG.1 ?. Don't forget that they also had XT serialed aircraft as well. Dennis I don't mind either really Dennis, but my research so far hasn't thrown up many XTs where I can find a corresponding tail code. I think the only one was XT875/K, but then I'd still need 5s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Here's some 43 Sqn XTs XT860/L XT861/C XT873/S XT874/J XT875/K & T I can't access it at the moment, but there is a good 43 Squadron Association webpage with handy pics. There is also this very good page for background information and pics of flying 43 Sqn Phantoms, https://omegataupodcast.net/172-chasing-bears-with-the-phantom/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Lord Riot said: I don't mind either really Dennis, but my research so far hasn't thrown up many XTs where I can find a corresponding tail code. I think the only one was XT875/K, but then I'd still need 5s! OK I have missed out XT875/K but can offer you these which may help :- Masked finish overall Masked finish overall NB This aircraft had been fitted with "XV" partially serialed outer mainplanes on Major which had not been painted out. The alpha codes were later adjusted to "XT" and the aircraft was the only FG.1 at Leuchars to carry the old style of presentation which it did until later sprayed in the grey schemes. The photo below is NOT mine and I will remove it if the Mods so instruct but it illustrates the presentation after the above was taken and after the aircraft was transferred to 111Sqdn as "E" HTH Dennis 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhenderson Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Great pictures @sloegin57! I'm doing XV571/A at the moment in camo, and these photos seem to suggest I need to put a code on the nose wheel door. Wasn't sure how prevalent that was. Do you know if they always had them? Interested in 1977 ish for mine.. Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) @sloegin57 and @71chally thank you gents, that's phantastic info! I'll see what I can cobble together from the decals I've got. I'm aiming for the period around 1982-86 just before they all turned grey. Alas it seems these XTs were all lost in service at some point, (apart from '874), so I can't do them. I guess it'll have to be an XV after all. Edited January 30, 2020 by Lord Riot Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 There is a picture of XT861/C captioned as taken in 1986 in camo and with a grey radome (which looks different). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Not sure how it works with this site, but link to the picture here @Lord Riot https://www.airliners.net/photo/UK-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4K-Phantom-FG1/1453154?qsp=eJxtjrEOwjAMRP/Fc5ZSEUo3ujDC0IHVcgxElDZyLEFU9d8JATGxnd6dnj0DTaPyU/sUGFqIjEJXMBBQ8B6hnQG9kOBZO4yePrPGrjbmV%2Bx5ZPlfQVvXW7s2cOP0mMRlIZz6xlb5QpxEu5SBQ%2BUdEQdl9%2BUHcSzviiOVZy5ZXeXAciwZapu58zEMWBys6AdYlhez7URj It looks like both canopies are in grey as well. Edited January 30, 2020 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, alhenderson said: Great pictures @sloegin57! I'm doing XV571/A at the moment in camo, and these photos seem to suggest I need to put a code on the nose wheel door. Wasn't sure how prevalent that was. Do you know if they always had them? Interested in 1977 ish for mine.. Thanks, Al. Yes Al, you will need a code for the nose wheel door. 77ish sounds good as she went away for Major in 79 and, as she was the CO's aircraft, she came back in grey mid 80 according to my notes. Attached you may find interesting. Phantoms had an on going problem with the nose wheel steering which seemed to have a mind of its own on a few rare occasions, especially on take off. Attached is a43 following such an incident in November 1977 shown where the crew left her as she seemed to be on a collision course with Air Traffic and they decide that brickwork and Phantoms don't mix :- Note that the Wincos pennant is the wrong way round (I think) If you fancy a diorama !! - HTH Dennis 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhenderson Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 @sloegin57 - I already have that top picture and one of her being towed back to the ramp after the incident, I'm modelling her around this time. The head on one there confirms I need the nosewheel door code so thanks v much for sharing that one! Not sure I've got a black 'A' which could be my next issue 😞 It's weird seeing that aerial shot with no HASs in it - had to think for a minute where it was! Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alhenderson Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 @sloegin57 if you're on facebook you should look up the British Phantom Aviation Group. The pilot involved in that mishap above shared a post on it a while back and they got into some long and technical discussions (way above my head!) about what might or might not have caused it. Someone shared some of the same pictures that you shared above. Fascinating stuff! Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, alhenderson said: @sloegin57 if you're on facebook you should look up the British Phantom Aviation Group. The pilot involved in that mishap above shared a post on it a while back and they got into some long and technical discussions (way above my head!) about what might or might not have caused it. Someone shared some of the same pictures that you shared above. Fascinating stuff! Al. Yeah - I remember that - it was me that shared the photos !! - obviously where you got them from in the first place - enjoy !!. I think I am a member of that Group but I go on FB so infrequently nowadays I wouldn't know. I think the pilot was quite badly injured but thankfully recovered enough to fly again. That incident and the Navy Phantom burning on the far end of the runway was my introduction to RAF Leuchars - I had only been there less than a week !! Dennis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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