stevehnz Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks @CarLos & @EwenS, those quotations very much reinforce the references quotes by Kiwithrottlejockey in the rnzaf:proboards thread I linked to above, & to me, prove I did read it & remember it from somewhere though I can't recall with any certainty just where. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 Looking at ZK-AMO - I intend to build her as she is today - I'm thinking Tempest V spinners with either V or VI props...thoughts on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, k5054nz said: Looking at ZK-AMO - I intend to build her as she is today - I'm thinking Tempest V spinners with either V or VI props...thoughts on that? Hi Zac, This is a close up of the Solent Propeller Cone, it's really more bulbous than a Tempest Prop Cone This from MOTAT some years ago, info about the actual propellers 3.81m equals 52.91mm in 1/72 scale - not sure if the Tempest Mk V/VI props are that length? These are the Bristol Hercules Engine Specs - note the diameter of the engine. 52in =18.33mm in 1/72. The Rear section of the Airfix Sunderland wing Nacelle is 20mm, your Nacelles will be only slightly larger, you might need to adjust Not to re-ignite the Engine alignment debate (should have used these previous (blame Photo bucket)), if you look from the rear in this photo, you can certainly see the "Straight" set up and not "Toed out" - apologies for the wrong info previous Hope that helps you? Regards Alan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, LDSModeller said: (blame Photo bucket)) Only too happy to, anything else you'd like to add while we're on their case. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaton01 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 The toe out is better for engine out performance. I measured the alignment of the engines in the photo and I see 2 1/2 degrees toe out on each side. Could be straight, and certainly not as extreme as on the Sunderland/Sandringham. I would like to have a photo from higher above, There is some distortion in the photo because the focal point is too close and it is not exactly above the centerline of the airplane.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 18 hours ago, LDSModeller said: This from MOTAT some years ago, info about the actual propellers 3.81m equals 52.91mm in 1/72 scale - not sure if the Tempest Mk V/VI props are that length? Hope that helps you? Regards Alan Thanks Alan, all the photos and info are a great help. I am in NZ but unfortunately can't afford a trip to MOTAT any time soon so these are a welcome reference. The fact the type shares propellers with the Freighter is very, very good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, k5054nz said: all the photos and info are a great help. Hi Zac, Happy to help I have more photos of the Solent, especially Interior Regards Alan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 The color coding of the engine controls is interesting; it matches the wingtip lights! I don't think I've ever seen that on any other multi-engine aircraft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 21 hours ago, k5054nz said: not sure if the Tempest Mk V/VI props are that length? According to the references I have, the Tempest Mk V/VI prop was 14' in diameter. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72nd SQN Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) I started a few years ago on an Ansett Sandringham IV and a TOA Solent III from the Airfix kit. I used my own tail and nose, with some spare parts I had and extended the Sunderland fuselage using a second old kit for the Solent, but hadn't ever got around to the hull extension, anyhow here is about where they got to. Engines for the Solent III came from an old Paragon conversion for a Mark II Lanc (I think ) but I also had a set of Aeroclub ones that would have been better shape for the Mark IV (right of wing) and was going to use a Bristol Super Freighter tail as a base for the Solent. This project will get off the shelf again some day, but sanding off all those rivets destroyed me at the time. Edited January 29, 2020 by 72nd SQN 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72nd SQN Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Here are some images I got of the Solent 3 that is still in Oakland, USA. It flew in Australia for a few years and then went to the US. This is the Flying boat in Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Hercules engines had no spinners and were close to Halifax/Beaufighter in cowl shape. Edited January 29, 2020 by 72nd SQN 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follasha Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) I actually built a Solent 4 flying boat back in 1996, using the Airfix Sunderland III as the base model. The fuselage was split forward of the wing and lengthened and portholes in the hull were filled and new windows/frames constructed out of 1.5mm ply and very thin perspex sheet. Nose and tail cones were made up out of balsa and treated with 'everdure' which is a marine grade epoxy wood sealer. A complete interior was costructed, based upon photos and visiting ZK-AMO at MOTAT in Auckland NZ. There is even a map of the upper North Island and the Pacific Islands sitting on the navigators table, behind the Captain's seat on the port side! The engines were actually Centaurus engines taken from 4 Matchbox Tempest kits. When originally painted up, the model wore the livery of ZK-AMO from 1960 worn by the aircraft now and when she was on the Coral Route. By 2018, the model was beginning to show its age, much of the filler compound used was 2 pot polyester 'bog' and was beginning to crack and break away. I took the opportunity to restore the model and correct some of the features which I didn't acknowledge when I originally built the model. The horizontal tail planes were extended and the propellers shortened to conform with the props used with the Hercules, smaller diameter than the Centaurus props. Unfortunately, the engines remain toed out. If I was to do this conversion again, I'd probably tackle if differently... The aircraft was re-finished as ZK-AML in livery from 1954 (photos attached). Untitled by Harry Follas, on Flickr old_1 by Harry Follas, on Flickr old_3 by Harry Follas, on Flickr AML_4 by Harry Follas, on Flickr AML_3 by Harry Follas, on Flickr AML_2 by Harry Follas, on Flickr 1 by Harry Follas, on Flickr solent by Harry Follas, on Flickr Edited April 5, 2020 by follasha 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWings Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 1/20/2020 at 12:06 PM, Paul J said: The Kermit Weeks one is actually a Sandringham/ Sunderland... not a Solent. The aircraft in Oakland was owned by the Grant family and is indeed a Solent III. Kermit Weeks owned (owns?) a different aircraft. I live only an hour from the Oakland aircraft and once lived only 5 minutes from the museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 3 hours ago, SilverWings said: Kermit Weeks owned (owns?) a different aircraft. As Paul J mentioned in his post (you quoted), The Kermit Weeks owned Aircraft is a Sandringham/Sunderland (Sundringham), formerly an RNZAF Sunderland MR5 (Mk V), it was sold in 1963 to an Australian Airline (Ansett), and flown to Rose Bay in NSW Australia wearing the new Australian Serial VH-BRF NZ4108/VH-BRF Arriving at Rose bay NSW There at Rose Bay, the Sunderland was converted to a Sandringham, though because the conversion was not done by Shorts, it couldn't be classified as a Sandringham. VH-BRF Conversion to Sandringham - Many still refer to Kermit Week's aircraft as a Sunderland, and many make the mistake of referring it as a reference to build Military Sunderland models. TEAL (Tasman Empire Air Ways Limited) Operated the Mk IV Variant of the Solent - Photo by my Dad circa 1961 at RNZAF Lauthala Bay, Fiji of Solent ZK-AMO Solent ZK-AMO here in Auckland at MOTAT We have the only remaining Mk IV Solent in the World Regards Alan 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWings Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 5:15 PM, LDSModeller said: As Paul J mentioned in his post (you quoted), The Kermit Weeks owned Aircraft is a Sandringham/Sunderland (Sundringham), formerly an RNZAF Sunderland MR5 (Mk V), it was sold in 1963 to an Australian Airline (Ansett), and flown to Rose Bay in NSW Australia wearing the new Australian Serial VH-BRF Regards Alan I agree Alan. We are on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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