Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jochen Barett said: Who made those paints and put the labels on? Or did you reach them via a "color match table" like RAL 6003 is olive green and with paint brand X olive green is No 47 and brand X's No 47 is brand Z's M263 ... The FS34079 "base coat" may have darkened the RAL 6003 (compared to a light grey base coat) but it should have darkened the RAL 7021 as well. These were the paints used. So should have been ok. Edited January 18, 2020 by Andy350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Had a price from Kinetic for the nose cone, $12.67 made payable to a paypal account. That is 25% of what the kit costs, that was an expensive mistake, but it's something I need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antb Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Ouch, that is expensive. Im assuming most of that is postage? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, Antb said: Ouch, that is expensive. Im assuming most of that is postage? You would like to think so, I suppose manufacturers produce kits and not single parts. lesson learnt. I will speak to the model shop on Monday where I bought the kit from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antb Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Andy350 said: You would like to think so, I suppose manufacturers produce kits and not single parts. Absolutely, but I just ordered a complete sprue for a 1/32 ME262 from Trumpeter for $10. The sprue was free the $ was postage. I wonder if they would post the sprue to you, granted you don't need the other bits but might be a cheaper option? Might not be but worth looking into perhaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Hi Andy. What troubles you've had with this build. But its good to hear that you can get a new nose cone, even if its going to cost a bit. Hopefully it'll come out as a great Starfighter in the end. //Bosse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, Marlin said: Hi Andy. What troubles you've had with this build. But its good to hear that you can get a new nose cone, even if its going to cost a bit. Hopefully it'll come out as a great Starfighter in the end. //Bosse Hi Bosse, the kit was really well put together, pretty accurate in the fit, nice to work with. My main problems were, not taking my time in cutting from the sprue and keeping sections together. I lost a small part to the front undercarriage. I've still got to fit the undercarriage, and I'm praying that this is not too taxing. I've got these little delights to fit as well now. How are you getting on with yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Andy350 said: How are you getting on with yours? I've started to gloss coat mine, and will start with the decals during the week I think. But I have four ongoing builds at the time, so we will have to see which of the ones grabs my attention. /Bosse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marlin said: I've started to gloss coat mine, and will start with the decals during the week I think. But I have four ongoing builds at the time, so we will have to see which of the ones grabs my attention. /Bosse Nice, I think it's good to have two builds at once as it sometimes good to have a break. Forgot to mention, the biggest problem apart from melting the nose was, the colour, couldn't get the finish I wanted, and tried again, but no. Even thought about changing the scheme to Naval Air Wing (MFG 2) Eggebek, 1985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reini Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 17/01/2020 at 23:12, Andy350 said: Not sure if the fuel tanks fins are supposed to follow the lines of the wings? Yeah, wingtip tank fins should follow the angle of the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, reini said: Yeah, wingtip tank fins should follow the angle of the wings. Oh, odd, all I did was to fit them, they only seemed to go in that angle. Should I try and remove and refit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reini Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Andy350 said: Oh, odd, all I did was to fit them, they only seemed to go in that angle. Should I try and remove and refit? Here is how they should look. https://images.app.goo.gl/HKdjXo577NbYeG458 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, reini said: Here is how they should look. https://images.app.goo.gl/HKdjXo577NbYeG458 Thanks, do you know why mine would be at an odd angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 The decal sheet shows both 25/23 one side and 21/64 the other, would both sides be identical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andy350 said: The decal sheet shows both 25/23 one side and 21/64 the other, would both sides be identical? Yes, it's the registration code. 21+64 and 25+23 would be two different airframes. See: http://www.916-starfighter.de/number_system.htm Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hook said: Yes, it's the registration code. 21+64 and 25+23 would be two different airframes. See: http://www.916-starfighter.de/number_system.htm Cheers, Andre Thanks Hook, so as long as mine match, which they currently don't I'm ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Andy350 said: Thanks Hook, so as long as mine match, which they currently don't I'm ok? Indeed! Both side should have the same numbers. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Decided to paint, decal and fit undercarriage. Next job, fix some paint marks, and add some oil wash to add silver bits. As is obvious I didn't fix the paint issues, didn't want to make things worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Besides the 2 greens being close, it still looks excellent! Keep going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 18/01/2020 at 17:36, Andy350 said: These were the paints used. So should have been ok. Strange. Mig calls RAL 7021 Dunkelgrau (dark grey), Mr. RAL calls it Schwarzgrau (black grey) and it is suppeosedly "pretty dark" Straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic/grey-hues According to the next table https://scalemodels.politisktinkorrektpappa.com/ammo-of-mig-paints/ Mig is offering too shades of RAL 6003, Opt. 1 and Opt. 2 and the explanation is found here https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/9-ral-6003-olivgrun-opt1-8432074000013.html and https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/14-ral-6003-olivgrun-opt2-8432074000020.html When using this picture as a color reference, the two greens being so close to each other is OK https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/468565/70-78-germany-air-force-bell-uh-1d-iroquois/ but it seems post-war Luftwaffe RAL (and FS) paints are subject to debate/fading/variation/interpretation just like WW II Luftwaffe RLM https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/307877/71-91-germany-air-force-bell-uh-1d-iroquois/ Anyway. Your F-104 looks good with the black "grey". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Jochen Barett said: Strange. Mig calls RAL 7021 Dunkelgrau (dark grey), Mr. RAL calls it Schwarzgrau (black grey) and it is suppeosedly "pretty dark" Straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-classic/grey-hues According to the next table https://scalemodels.politisktinkorrektpappa.com/ammo-of-mig-paints/ Mig is offering too shades of RAL 6003, Opt. 1 and Opt. 2 and the explanation is found here https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/9-ral-6003-olivgrun-opt1-8432074000013.html and https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/14-ral-6003-olivgrun-opt2-8432074000020.html When using this picture as a color reference, the two greens being so close to each other is OK https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/468565/70-78-germany-air-force-bell-uh-1d-iroquois/ but it seems post-war Luftwaffe RAL (and FS) paints are subject to debate/fading/variation/interpretation just like WW II Luftwaffe RLM https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/307877/71-91-germany-air-force-bell-uh-1d-iroquois/ Anyway. Your F-104 looks good with the black "grey". Thanks Jochen, that was very useful. If I do another build with similar colours I will make sure I colour test before hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filler Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 3:13 PM, Andy350 said: Don't think this is salvageable. What the heck happened? Despite this and your colour issues, this is a great build and I'm really inspired to build one too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Filler said: What the heck happened? Despite this and your colour issues, this is a great build and I'm really inspired to build one too. Thanks very much. I thought I needed nose weights, stuck them in with lots of cement. Silly thing to do seeing as this model doesn't require any. Live and learn. It's almost complete now, just missing this part. I will remove the masking and show some pics. And when the nose is fitted will post up in the RFI forum. Don't let what I've done put you off this build, everything went together really well, my lack of skills was the only real problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filler Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think you're being harsh on yourself. I'm looking forward to seeing the RFI. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) Completed as much as I could without the nose cone. Had to super glue one of the wheels on as the glue melted the tiny plastic axle on one side. Apart from a couple of silly mistakes, mainly paint (wrong looking yellow as well), nose and ejector seat it went really smoothly, made a nice change from build armour, (Also, didn't fit canopy framework). As soon as the nose and pitot tube is on I will post up in RFI. Thanks everyone who helped and to @Marlin and @reini who had already start this build who gave me loads of pointers. I would like to builder another fighter jet, so I will have a look at other builds to get some motivation. Still looking at sourcing a cone 😁 And also need to fit the 'no step' decals to the wings. Edited January 20, 2020 by Andy350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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