Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I'm getting nowhere with this white putty masking, not sure why I'm struggling to interpret the drawings to the model. Does anyone freehand the camo with an airgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I'm getting frustrated, I am at a loss of what colour is going where, I don't know if the black grey should be black? Or if Olive green is in fact FS 34079? Or even why there are four colours specified when I can only see 3. Why don't kinetic just point the colour code to the bloody section in the drawing, people like me have never heard of FS 34079. 🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Andy350 said: I'm getting frustrated, I am at a loss of what colour is going where, I don't know if the black grey should be black? Or if Olive green is in fact FS 34079? Or even why there are four colours specified when I can only see 3. Why don't kinetic just point the colour code to the bloody section in the drawing, people like me have never heard of FS 34079. FS34079 is the darkest green in the classic US Vietmam scheme. The black grey of the Norm 83 is indeed a charcoal "almost black". The third shade is RAL6014 Gelboliv, of the splinter scheme (Norm 62) that preceded the Norm 83. Hope this helps..! What brands of paint do you have access to? Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Hook said: FS34079 is the darkest green in the classic US Vietmam scheme. The black grey of the Norm 83 is indeed a charcoal "almost black". The third shade is RAL6014 Gelboliv, of the splinter scheme (Norm 62) that preceded the Norm 83. Hope this helps..! What brands of paint do you have access to? Cheers, Andre Hi Andre, Very helpful yes. I have the MIG paints as described in the kit. But they look nothing that the drawings would suggest. Would Olive green look darker then FS34079? So MIG-001 = RAL 6003 Olive green MIG-008 = RAL 7021 black grey MIG-206 - FS 34079. I think I've put the wrong colours down in the wrong places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 This is why I've got stuck today. If I follow this chart and map the colours to where it suggests they go the finished model looks different this. This is because, Olive green is darker than FS34079. So what I have done is put FS34079 where olive green should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hook said: FS34079 is the darkest green in the classic US Vietmam scheme. The black grey of the Norm 83 is indeed a charcoal "almost black". The third shade is RAL6014 Gelboliv, of the splinter scheme (Norm 62) that preceded the Norm 83. Hope this helps..! What brands of paint do you have access to? Cheers, Andre RAL 6014 is not used in Norm 83 scheme. RAL 6003, FS 34079 and RAL 7021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I really just need to make sure that I am putting down the correct colours in the right places. I think I am using the diagram and thinking it's wrong because these are not the actual colours. In reality Olive green looks more like what they call FS34079, and visa a versa. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) On the real scheme FS 34079 is darker then RAL 6003. This is a good picture to compare: KLICK Startet from the right it is FS34079, around "26+44" it is RAL 6003. Maybe helpfull is the Revell instruction showing the 4 view scheme of "26+44" on page 31. Edit: Startet from the right not left. Edited January 17, 2020 by JayBee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, JayBee said: On the real scheme FS 34079 is darker then RAL 6003. This is a good picture to compare: KLICK Startet from the right it is FS34079, around "26+44" it is RAL 6003. Maybe helpfull is the Revell instruction showing the 4 view scheme of "26+44" on page 31. Edit: Startet from the right not left. Thanks for that. I'm going to paint to the pics, got the right colours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 You´re welcome Andy! Maybe interesting, before Norm 83 was introduced it was planned that some F-104 have to be painted in a rudimentary scheme called "Norm 62 Ü/83" using only the Norm 62 colors RAL 6014 and RAL 7012 in a wraparound scheme. But due to costs it was cancelled and 23+30 was the only aircraft the scheme was partial and not complete applied. KLICK and KLICK. Silver parts on the bottom are still visible and not repainted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Brain fart re the RAL6014! - thanks for the corrections. Cheers, Andre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Made some progress, need to add in some grey mid section and grey/green to the rear end, then the usual brush touch ups, thanks all for the help so far. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I think the primary paint job is now complete, I have the wheel struts to prime and paint, that should be tomorrow, and then fit under carriage doors etc. Port side underside wing needs some airbrushing to fix those brush marks, not sure why I thought using the brush was a good move. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Not sure if the fuel tanks fins are supposed to follow the lines of the wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Excuse me for being a bit late to the party, but the colors on the model do look "strange". The RAL 7021 should be almost black (on the model it looks closer to RAL 7012), RAL 6003 should be rather "vivid" and "green", FS34079 should be dull and darker in comparison to RAL 6003 This pic http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/f104Liz1.htm comes close to my perception / memory of the colors (yes, including being patchy and "spot repair" using old 7012 on the tank). "Still OK": http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/2164.htm and http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Album/a2652.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jochen Barett said: Excuse me for being a bit late to the party, but the colors on the model do look "strange". The RAL 7021 should be almost black (on the model it looks closer to RAL 7012), RAL 6003 should be rather "vivid" and "green", FS34079 should be dull and darker in comparison to RAL 6003 This pic http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/f104Liz1.htm comes close to my perception / memory of the colors (yes, including being patchy and "spot repair" using old 7012 on the tank). "Still OK": http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/2164.htm and http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Album/a2652.htm I suppose I have a choice, remove all paint and start again, go over freehand on top of what's there, leave as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Why can't you just paint over what's already there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Witness said: Why can't you just paint over what's already there? If I use the same colour will it not look the same? I agree this black/grey is not black enough. I could add some black to 7021, but it will be hit and miss. Edited January 18, 2020 by Andy350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Any thoughts on this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Don't think this is salvageable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Andy350 said: Don't think this is salvageable Sadly, I would have to agree. 3 hours ago, Andy350 said: Any thoughts on this? The black looks good, the darker green appears too light and the olive green a bit not vivid enough. Cheers, Andre 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hook said: Sadly, I would have to agree. The black looks good, the darker green appears too light and the olive green a bit not vivid enough. Cheers, Andre Thanks Andre, I'm not sure what happened with the colours, I made up the black in the end. I'm happy to leave these colours now, I'm not very good at spending too much time fixing my mistakes. Thanks for the pointers though. Edited January 18, 2020 by Andy350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 What paints did you use for RAL 7021, RAL 6003 and FS34079? The "black" sure improved the result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy350 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jochen Barett said: What paints did you use for RAL 7021, RAL 6003 and FS34079? The "black" sure improved the result. All those colours, I've just remembered, I painted the whole model with FS34079 first and then used the others on top, so that might have caused the final issues? I did this because I was making masking mistakes and painting the wrongs areas. In the end I free handed the black/grey which is why the the lines are blurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Who made those paints and put the labels on? Or did you reach them via a "color match table" like RAL 6003 is olive green and with paint brand X olive green is No 47 and brand X's No 47 is brand Z's M263 ... The FS34079 "base coat" may have darkened the RAL 6003 (compared to a light grey base coat) but it should have darkened the RAL 7021 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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