perdu Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Humbrol 163 is the colour I used for the green portion of the Chinook's scheme 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, JosephLalor said: Both 116 and 163 are considered to be reasonable matches for RAF dark green Yep, 163 is also good. I bought one once for an Esci Jaguar. It's darker than the 116 but maybe because it is satin. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 hours ago, keefr22 said: Isn't it now the accepted internet wisdom that H30 isn't right for RAF dark green? Having not used Humbrol for probably a quarter of a century I can't remember what number is now recommended. I thought you now had Sovereign's British paints? I've always believed the colours to be Dk green and dk earth... Thanks Keith I do have Colourcoats and will use those for the externals. I just can't be bothered to spray / do multiple coats while I'm fiddling with the interior. 11 hours ago, perdu said: Keith has it, bang on. Colour coats RAF Dark Green and Dark Earth Humbrol 30 Nice but no prizes for most military kit Thanks Bill 10 hours ago, bbudde said: Brown and green.😁 Ok Ced to be more precise, it looks somewhat like the Airfix Scout in my old catalogue. So I would go with dark earth / dark green (Old Humbrol 29/30 or eventually 84?/116/117) 7 hours ago, bbudde said: Found this: So maybe H116 or H117 instead of H30. I guess he has the similar problem as you. https://www.airfix.com/us-en/forum/-bob-cb-timvincent-172-spitfire-mk1-n3162/?p=1 116, thanks Ben - that's better (see below) 9 hours ago, limeypilot said: Love that ip Ced, nicely done. The seat splurge shows promise too. Don't forget the two little fans next to the ip, very visible! 😜 Ian Thanks Ian. Fans? Hah! 9 hours ago, Heather Kay said: Aha. That makes sense. I know little of these whirlygiggly things, if I’m honest. Me neither Heather, me neither 8 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Running fans, obviously Oh behave! 6 hours ago, giemme said: Tough crowd around here, Ced - ain'it? Nice progress, though. Eager to see those micro files and how they work for you ... Ciao They are, aren't they? I take it as support to improve my skills (most days) 5 hours ago, Space Ranger said: What about good ol' HB.1 from the Authentics range? I have two unopened tins of it still! Or 163 Dark Green? Thanks Michael - sadly I don't have that, but the 116 seems better 5 hours ago, bbudde said: I have no idea as I never used one of their "Authenic" range. I can only comment on that 30 and I must admit that I always liked that 116 green much more on british WW2 planes. Imho it also matches that much more compared with WW2 colour photos (which is another difficult theme) The only thing I can say, that you have to open one and test it for yourself, if it's close enough for you and suits your eyes. Cheers Thanks Ben - tested and approved! See below 4 hours ago, JosephLalor said: My early ‘80s tinlet of HB1 brushes out as a blue-green similar to 30 and I recall Ray Rimell cutting it with scarlet for his Battle of Britain special. I think that both HB1 and HX1 may have started out as dark yellow-olives before becoming victims of the Humbrol Authentic colour shift. Both 116 and 163 are considered to be reasonable matches for RAF dark green and the Army used the same standard I believe. 117 is for FS 34102, the medium olive green in the US Vietnam scheme. Another vote for 116, thanks Joseph 2 hours ago, perdu said: Humbrol 163 is the colour I used for the green portion of the Chinook's scheme [snip pic] 2 hours ago, bbudde said: Yep, 163 is also good. I bought one once for an Esci Jaguar. It's darker than the 116 but maybe because it is satin. Cheers Thanks Bill and Ben - looks good A test of 116 on the inside of the cab: Happy with that/ The seats have had some of that to on the bottom and I've tested the filler with a quick coat: Not bad. One more pass I think. The black is to highlight the gaps - it'll get tidied I promise. I'm out all day tomorrow so bear with me 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 All (very) good Ced Enjoy your day off 😋 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 As above. Have a nice day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 What sort of bear is it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Nice bench seat; good save. Exemplary calm in the face of barracking, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 8 hours ago, CedB said: Thanks Bill and Ben Flibble dobble dibble...weeeed.... I never realised when I was 5 or 6 just how many fnaars this would produce in my 63 year old head when I watched it again!! Keith 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 8 hours ago, perdu said: All (very) good Ced Enjoy your day off 😋 Thanks Bill I've just gone over it with PPP on a cotton bud as per 'perdu standard'. More tomorrow (or later). 7 hours ago, bbudde said: As above. Have a nice day. Thanks Ben 2 hours ago, Biggles87 said: What sort of bear is it? Thanks John 17 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Nice bench seat; good save. Exemplary calm in the face of barracking, too. Cheers Crisp - normal for [insert your place here], water off a duck's back and all that 2 minutes ago, keefr22 said: Flibble dobble dibble...weeeed.... I never realised when I was 5 or 6 just how many fnaars this would produce in my 63 year old head when I watched it again!! [snip video] Keith Thanks Keith There is quite a lot of 'popping up' (fnaar) going on isn't there? Riding on Cabbages eh? "They were so busy bouncing on their cabbages… that they didn't notice the little sprouts behind them." Been there. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 After seeing those Rizla`s earlier we can now see where "Little Weed" went. Have a great day off Ced, you need a break from colour deciphering. Simon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Seats look much better. All you need now is the white piping AW 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Looking grand. Bravo on the seats. I thought you would leave them. You proved me wrong. 😇🙌 Johnny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Spookytooth said: After seeing those Rizla`s earlier we can now see where "Little Weed" went. Have a great day off Ced, you need a break from colour deciphering. Simon Thanks Simon Tiring day, standing up all day running 'the range'. There has been wine this evening… 14 hours ago, Andwil said: Seats look much better. All you need now is the white piping AW Quite right AW All I need is something that lets me draw tiny white lines around the seat edges… Maybe a Pilot Metallic Super Colour White Extra Fine (0.5mm Line) Permanent Marker Paint Pen. Or a White Faber-Castell Albrecht Dürer Artists Watercolour Pencil. Or I could use some paint in a Healifty Adjustable ruling pen straight line drawing pen for masking fluid fine lines (Size S/M/L). All ordered and arriving soon - we shall see which works best. Yes, it's all your fault 7 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Looking grand. Bravo on the seats. I thought you would leave them. You proved me wrong. 😇🙌 Johnny Ah, well, there's 'modelling accuracy' and 'satisfying the crowd' Johnny. I won't let on which influences me the most but I bet you can guess Some extra bits prepared. The joysticks: Luckily my sanding sticks just fit, otherwise I would have needed some micro files (come on Vincent, get 'em in the post!) The pedals: …also need cleaning up and would benefit from some micro files, but I had to use a blade to scrape the flash off They do have some nice detail on the other side. 131 has one collective with a 'loop' and one without: So, most of the kit internals ready: Tomorrow I will review. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, CedB said: All ordered and arriving soon - we shall see which works best. Yes, it's all your fault Happy to spend your money for you! The cockpit is unusually visible in the glass bubble so it is worth making the effort. AW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Good stuff Ced, the little break did us good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Andwil said: Happy to spend your money for you! The cockpit is unusually visible in the glass bubble so it is worth making the effort. AW Thanks AW, it is worth the effort but I can't guarantee the quality! 9 hours ago, perdu said: Good stuff Ced, the little break did us good Thanks Bill I noticed that the seat backs were more 'separate' than I had them so they got chopped a bit and repainted: After a gloss coat they'll be ready for the arrival of the white pens. With my magnifiers on and looking at close up photos it's easy to get over-excited. Like with the 'Hawker sealed aircraft battery': That'll do pig. iModelKit tells me the pinky red can be had by mixing H19 and H61 - we shall see later. I mentioned the detail on the pedals: NOW I can see the flash 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, CedB said: With my magnifiers on and looking at close up photos it's easy to get over-excited. Like with the 'Hawker sealed aircraft battery': NOW I can see the flash And NOW you've told us what it is, you do realise we expect to see the label legibly reproduced on said item! The MP in the right-hand seat is an optional extra: So do the kit rudder pedals have this detail? If not, then.... ....also, they appear level here, but they look 'stepped' in the kit? Edited January 19, 2020 by andyf117 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 After looking at the pic sent by @andyf117, not only are they level but the right hand one looks offset , so I presume that the right hand set would be reversed. Glad that you survived standing at the "Range" sir, plenty of fine food? Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 4 hours ago, andyf117 said: And NOW you've told us what it is, you do realise we expect to see the label legibly reproduced on said item! The MP in the right-hand seat is an optional extra: [snip pic] So do the kit rudder pedals have this detail? [snip pic] If not, then.... ....also, they appear level here, but they look 'stepped' in the kit? Now then AW, you're teasing, aren't you? Label, maybe, but the pedal details? Do behave 3 hours ago, Spookytooth said: After looking at the pic sent by @andyf117, not only are they level but the right hand one looks offset , so I presume that the right hand set would be reversed. Glad that you survived standing at the "Range" sir, plenty of fine food? Simon. Another one! Pedals they are - they move. The kit ones are almost exactly like those in AW picture above - Ah ha! No food at the range Simon (we had to take packed lunch) but the Scouts had been cooking the night before and the smell of bacon lingered… torture! Looked out the Mike Grant instrument decals: …and went through the rest of the decal stash to separate stuff useful for internals. Have you spotted it yet AW? Also found these: Bought them from Mr Hannant himself at SMW a few years ago when I was building the Rapide. Nigel Heath (where is he?) commented that the resolution wasn't very good on the narrow ones, then we realised that was the packaging and the decals were inside If the pens don't work I have a fall back. I've painted the i/p: Like the Meng black. The blue is a reflection, honest. The internals are now all (mostly) painted and ready for assembly: Can I wait for the pens to arrive tomorrow? Possibly. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 oooh nice detailing on the IP Ced 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, CedB said: If the pens don't work I have a fall back. I was wondering if very fine stretched white sprue would work - a chance to use your new found skill Ced....!! Very nice IP! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, hendie said: oooh nice detailing on the IP Ced Thanks hendie Actually that's just the Meng black - I hadn't started detailing yet! 1 hour ago, keefr22 said: I was wondering if very fine stretched white sprue would work - a chance to use your new found skill Ced....!! Very nice IP! Keith Thanks Keith - always good to have an option B Mike Grant instrument decals - crikey they're small. No, make that tiny. The instructions warn that the carrier goes across the whole sheet and that you need to punch them out. Fine: 1.7mm punch. Oh my eyes. I did find that the best way to see if it was centred was to look around the bottom of the hole and, if there was any black visible, to adjust until it was hidden. Then THWACK with the little hammer and 'hunt the dial' begins. A tray for the punch set is almost essential IMHO. Use the 'perdu stencil soaking method' - put the transfer in a tray and drop warm water on it with a pipette. Don't let go of the pipette when you do this or it'll suck the transfer up (ask me how I know). Brush some DecalFix ('cos it's a bit sticky) on the i/p dial. Pick up the dial transfer with tweezers (pointy) or the brush and carefully locate it on the dial. Dry out the brush on kitchen towel and brush the transfer down. Don highest magnification visor and poke the dial about a bit. Breathe. Done now and currently soaked in MicroSol: Dobs of colour to be done when that's dry. Breathe. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 16 hours ago, CedB said: Maybe a Pilot Metallic Super Colour White Extra Fine (0.5mm Line) Permanent Marker Paint Pen. Or a White Faber-Castell Albrecht Dürer Artists Watercolour Pencil. Or I could use some paint in a Healifty Adjustable ruling pen straight line drawing pen for masking fluid fine lines (Size S/M/L). Does all this stuff actually exist??? Great IP, by the way Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Hopefully Giorgio We'll see which is most useful when it arrives. The pencil and drawing pens arrive tomorrow but the paint pen won't be here until later in the week I'll test them all anyway so we all know what's what. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Top job on the IP Ced! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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