exdraken Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 8:24 PM, harvy5 said: Hi Werner and Uncle! Racks.For helicopters are better. But you must cutting rack from pylon. Su-24 and newer types Soviet aircafts have shorter bomb pylons. Bombs are typ ODAB-500PMV.If I remember correctly , explosion's setting is at 50m for used in cities. Thanks a lot Harvy! Very much appreciated! Great photos as well.... that is a hell of a load... even including tanks! Is that 4 of 6 bombs in total? Can't fully see the rear racks... What does PMV stand for? The second photo is in Slovakia I assume? So a quite standard type of bombs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 1:56 AM, Uncle Uncool said: where's our luv... (sunk in silent contemplation of those eyes) Been procrastinating on yer Fitter build, have you? UNC!!! Frightening those eyes... similar to does 500kg bombs above... 😱 The need to look up procrastinating even further delays the build... no, actually waiting for resin chaff /flare dispensers to be shipped ... and building a Safir and a Harrier in the group builds in between and life ... ... now needa source the bomb load as well hope to proceed soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, IPMS19 said: - Some news of my Su17 marred by the problem I've had with banana belly. It is in final approach thanks to my deputy technical adviser Miss VERA;. - Eventually I have some questionnement about the Hungarian scheme choosen on the HAD 48172 sporting the old national arrow insigna. I not sure Su 17/22 had ever carried these marking. Wow!! Great paint work!!!!! not really old , but high viz currrent national markings. the Su-22M3s started out with the Hungarian star roundels... BUT please remove them alltogether!! Add some Soviet stars, I am sure there was a Soviet Su-17M3 in exachly this scheme... But surely not a Hungarian... those were all R-29 fat engine powered.. it is the only scheme not buildable from this kit... and HAD is to blame as well of course Poor fertökaradas. Desolé for the bad news... really! Edited February 24, 2020 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, exdraken said: Thanks a lot Harvy! Very much appreciated! Great photos as well.... that is a hell of a load... even including tanks! Is that 4 of 6 bombs in total? Can't fully see the rear racks... What does PMV stand for? The second photo is in Slovakia I assume? So a quite standard type of bombs? It's just one picture from the Russian site about the war in Syria Armament is standard, 6xODAB-500 and 2xPTB-800 This PMV will probably be the type of bomb activation. It is a new species developed in the 90's These letters after the weight designation are essentially specifications. In this case, I think it's a barometric switch type designation. ODAB is very much, explosive , aviatio , bomb , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, exdraken said: Wow!! Great paint work!!!!! not really old , but high viz currrent national markings. the Su-22M3s started out with the Hungarian star roundels... BUT please remove them alltogether!! Add some Soviet stars, I am sure there was a Soviet Su-17M3 in exachly this scheme... But surely not a Hungarian... those were all R-29 fat engine powered.. it is the only scheme not buildable from this kit... and HAD is to blame as well of course Poor fertökaradas. Desolé for the bad news... really! - Vielen Danke Werner, I will follow your advice,first I was not really attired by the Hungarian scheme but what make my decision is that the engine doesn't fit for hungarian Fitters and third I wanted to build Su 17M3r with KKR reco pod and I'm not sure this version was in squadron duty with the Hungarn so .......Let it be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Jean Michael . On the photo what insert Sebastian is nice to see pylon for KKR. Su-22M-3r designation is only "western". All Su-22M-3 or M-4 can carry KKR. Before use, only the technician will replace the control panel on the upper left of the instrument panel. Similarly it is with newer series Su-22 that can carry Kh-29T and Kh-58. Only exchange TV screens for control panel anti-radar missiles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, harvy5 said: Jean Michael . On the photo what insert Sebastian is nice to see pylon for KKR. Su-22M-3r designation is only "western". All Su-22M-3 or M-4 can carry KKR. Before use, only the technician will replace the control panel on the upper left of the instrument panel. Similarly it is with newer series Su-22 that can carry Kh-29T and Kh-58. Only exchange TV screens for control panel anti-radar missiles. -Ahoj Harvy Vd'aka za presnost, I've found this designation in some magazine, I think it's another fake generated during cold war about warpac material. I'm interested in the photo of KKR pylon but I don't find it, the ones I have show the pod under the plane without much details so installing the device of the kit is much like a guess work;. - After this one complete I will built an Su 22-M4 I may install some missile under the feathers, it will be interesting to have control panel photo - Oh YES after a closer look I noticed the pylon. So I assume Hungarian FITTER could carry KKR..but I don't know more about it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, IPMS19 said: -Ahoj Harvy Vd'aka za presnost, I've found this designation in some magazine, I think it's another fake generated during cold war about warpac material. I'm interested in the photo of KKR pylon but I don't find it, the ones I have show the pod under the plane without much details so installing the device of the kit is much like a guess work;. - After this one complete I will built an Su 22-M4 I may install some missile under the feathers, it will be interesting to have control panel photo - Oh YES after a closer look I noticed the pylon. So I assume Hungarian FITTER could carry KKR..but I don't know more about it.. It's only aerodynamically pylon that allows mounting KKR .All installations are below the fuselage covers. But for big missiles you need special pylons. I put them on that KH poo-poo. A for Anti-Radar M. and guidance container. I used BA-58 VJUGA container for targeting Kh-58 and Kh-25MP.The container and pylons at least visually corrected the evil shape belly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Hi Werner, I was a bit late to catch up this thread but you made great progress so far. Serkan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) On 2/22/2020 at 8:24 PM, harvy5 said: Bombs are typ ODAB-500PMV. https://the48ers.com/odab-500pmv-500-kg-air-fuel-explosive-bomb.html those are the correct guys, no! thanks for the help Harvy!, very much appreciated no I need to source 3 pairs of them...... Edit: directly ordered at Amigo Models... site is in Russian but manageable nobody else had 3 pairs in stock... those dreaded fuel-air-explosive bombs you here in the media from time to time... nasty things... http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-bombs/odab-500pmv/ looking forward to them already! at least a realistic- real load out! Edited February 25, 2020 by exdraken 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, exdraken said: The need to look up procrastinating even further delays the build... Oh, my mate. You've just cracked me up with that. Nice to see this thread on first page again. Didn't want to push ye round. On 2/24/2020 at 7:00 PM, exdraken said: no, actually waiting for resin chaff /flare dispensers to be shipped ... and building a Safir and a Harrier in the group builds in between and life ... Awesome, which ones did you purchase finally? Those ODAB-500 look menacing. Very beautiful bomb for Eastern manufacture, by the way! Ruskie bombs seldom look so elegant. Hi Jean-Michel, Serkan and Harvy! Great to have the three of ye tagging along. Yeh, it is... Cheers, Unc2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serkan Sen Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 44 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: Hi Jean-Michel, Serkan and Harvy! Great to have the three of ye tagging along. I am trying to catch up mates threads when I find a bit time from my ongoing builds... 😁 Serkan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 my Su-24 chaff / flare dispensers arrived today by the way, a great inspirational Su-22 pic! head-on Polish air-force https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/09/08/190908061732653293.jpg so, moving on to some new work done the wing mounted landing light actually is not there acording to Harvy, thanks ... removed and filled... (WIP), that is what came today, the plan was to use all four to make just 2... then I reconsidered and will use the rear part form the KH plastic dispensers, as they look more like the small diameter ones on the Syrian planes some more cutting and glueing involved though a bit like the real thing, made up of individual modules that is how iw looks on the read fuselage, still need to fabricate rear wedges cheers! Werner 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 At last! Yehses... Foremost cartridges (on the Quickboost piece) would be flares, no? Chaff cartridges are aft (on the Kitty Hawk double pieces, yeh? Or the other way round? I infer that you don't want to sacrifice the remaining pair of Quickboost resin pieces in the sake of the missing rear wedges, do you? What did you buy four pieces for then? Nice to see you back on "they're" bench with this build, Werner, my mate. Yeh, it is... Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 That dispensers look the part compared with the real deal 👍 Markus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: Foremost cartridges (on the Quickboost piece) would be flares, no? Chaff cartridges are aft (on the Kitty Hawk double pieces, yeh? Or the other way round? I have no idea... but I'd also like to know! When I saw a Polish Su-22 perform at an airshow last year with flares, they were kind of exercise flares and really small but many, especially compared to the F-16 or Gripen ones.... 40 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: I infer that you don't want to sacrifice the remaining pair of Quickboost resin pieces in the sake of the missing rear wedges, do you? What did you buy four pieces for then? No, not any longer... the wedges are already WIP.... cut from resin pouring blocks from a MiG-23MLD dispenser.... Originally I planned to make one Su-22 dispenser out of a Su-24 pair.... silly me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 bombs arrived some fuses as well, very nice , nut sure if useful/ correct, but... my dispensers are also ready hope for more progress soon! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, exdraken said: hope for more progress soon! As do I my friend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 babysteps, I do hope in the right direction! aux doors on the intake mounted, the lower ones closed as the M4 as them only go inward (limited to M1.6 in that course) the upper one obviously drop inwards anyways! HUD and windscreen glued as well finally! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, exdraken said: babysteps, I do hope in the right direction! Short steps, but certainly in quite the right direction, Werner, my mate! I really like what you've done with the chaff/flare dispensers. They look awesome. I now really fancy building my Fitter with only two of these broad type of dispensers instead of the four narrow ones which come in the kit. ODAB-500s look awful sweet! Incidentally; did you see the Russian crossing your territory on "they're" way to Italy? Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Short steps, but certainly in quite the right direction, Werner, my mate! I really like what you've done with the chaff/flare dispensers. They look awesome. I now really fancy building my Fitter with only two of these broad type of dispensers instead of the four narrow ones which come in the kit. ODAB-500s look awful sweet! Incidentally; did you see the Russian crossing your territory on "they're" way to Italy? Cheers, Unc2 thanks Unc! no unfortunately I did not see the aid/ hospital flight! surely would have been a great sight! six Il-76 heavys https://theaviationist.com/2020/03/22/russian-military-launches-humanitarian-air-bridge-sending-il-76-airlifters-to-help-italy-fight-covid-19/ but they went way south..... all the best and speed improvement to Italy (and Spain, and and and ) but we her are also only working from home....not that easy with 2 youngsters needing attention all the time! managed to finally glue the wings on, a design that really works well! and some aux intakes... the slight droop of the front section, including the windscreen is apparent here! Edited March 28, 2020 by exdraken 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Starts to look like a Fitter 👍 Cheers Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Any progress is good progress Werner and it's good to see this one progressing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 thx Col! so I will keep posting ... in sunny skys... and the opposite,but with everything but the stab mounted I used blutac equivalent to closed the gun access panels termporariliy ready for .... .. .. mottle camo! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 underside painted in a rel. dark blue-grey wing overlap is in some Alclad mix, probably need some more masking generally, what is the verdict if you absolutley can't find a landing gear incl. doors you are sure to have build a month ago already:::: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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